On 16 Jan, 05:37, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand that you have not been reading my posts and thoughts long > enough in this group to understand that I do not subscribe to much of > the catholic requirements, beliefs, biblical interpretations and many > other aspects of Catholicism. My statement to you, fid, was that I > have attended many Catholic churches over the years. You see, the > fact that I believe differently has not prevented me from being > accepted into Catholic congregations, having my children receive the > sacraments even though I was never married in a Catholic church. I > have never been threatened or slighted in anyway for believing > differently. This has been my experience. I don't think that > anyone's generalized ideas about Catholicisms, or Christianity would > fit my view, which is probably closer to New Thought or the mystical > traditions that anything else, although my view would stretch those > boundaries also. Like Pat, and probably several others here, I have > studied may different philosophies and religions, and formed my own > particular world view. >
Oooh, I STILL shudder at the thought that my children are being raised Catholic. I have always been opposed to certain sacraments, the Eucharist being the most offensive to me. How symbolic cannibalism and vampirism could EVER be considered 'holy' is beyond me. Oh yeah...it was a Pauline interpretation. Although I was raised Methodist, I avoided EVER taking that which was called 'communion' because I found it, even at age 5, to be a vile thing conceptually. Considering that partaking of blood, either literally or symbolically, would have been antithetical to 'good Judaism', I find it impossible to accept that such a rite was ever intended by Jesus himself. I CAN, though, see why he might have said something along the lines of: remember me when you eat and drink (a quote from Jesus Christ Superstar). From there, it just became totally perverted in such a way as to entice the Mithra worshippers, who were already doing such a thing, that Paul was trying to convert. Near the end of my book, I will be putting in a certain number of 'challenges' to current faiths in order for them to reconsider certain practices. The Eucharist is, perhaps, tops on my list. This, of course, will upset many, but, I feel duty-bound to try to right the wrongs of the past, lest they bite the innocent/ignorant/uneducated who simply don't know any better. > On Jan 15, 7:11 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You are a self described catholic, his comment about your presumed > > belief is accurate until you modify your description of your religion > > of choice. > > > On Jan 14, 3:25 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You are mistaken about my religious beliefs and lifestyle, but right > > > about my mod role. Comments here should be directed at the ideas, not > > > the person. I am not digging for confrontation a bit. If you have a > > > question about my statements in this thread, I suggest you be more > > > direct about the statements, and not rely on your assessment of my > > > character (which appears to be off the mark.) > > > > On Jan 14, 4:29 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No its not snide at all, Molly but being that you ask I'd have to say > > > > you have been a bit edgy as of late, possibly the mod role initiating > > > > a keener sense of commentary. My comment addresses the biblical > > > > accounts of differentiating gender and marital roles, not hard to > > > > understand, secondly I'm under the impression that you are based in a > > > > biblical lifestyle, if not then forget it. Christian women willingly > > > > defer to their husbands by default, at least those that I know who are > > > > seriously attentive to biblical teachings. The comment, not remark, > > > > wearing the pants in the family is a very common, well known phrase > > > > that indicates who rules the roost. If you are digging for > > > > confrontation I'll just stay on the other side of the street. > > > > > On Jan 14, 2:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know what you mean. Is your remark snide? > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would think that you most of all should already ascribe to the > > > > > > doctrines of difference in religiously designated marital roles, in > > > > > > the biblical sense. Or do you wear the pants in the family? > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 12:58 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see the importance in defining the difference there. > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:34 am, edward mason <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To have a religion (a product of culture) is to have a leader > > > > > > > > to lead > > > > > > > > to God. Unnatural in a relationship. For those of you who are > > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > imagine needing a leader there. How will you define a difference > > > > > > > > there? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Pat > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan, 16:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Makes a lot of sense Pat. ;-] > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, mate! I do try. But it's my "life's work", as it > > > > > > > > > were; so I > > > > > > > > > want it to be as sound as possible. Although, I know that, > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > though I speak the truth, many people will be VERY upset by > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > But, that, I'm afraid, goes with the role. ;-) > > > > > > > > > >> On Jan 14, 7:21 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Jan, 08:42, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > The world seems more religious than ever these days. > > > > > > > > > >> > > Across the Middle East, fervent forms of Islam are > > > > > > > > >> > > growing more > > > > > > > > >> > > popular and more politically active. Muslim nations that > > > > > > > > >> > > were somewhat > > > > > > > > >> > > secularized 40 years ago - like Lebanon and Iran - are > > > > > > > > >> > > now teeming > > > > > > > > >> > > with fundamentalism. In Turkey and Egypt, increasing > > > > > > > > >> > > numbers of women > > > > > > > > >> > > are turning to the veil as an overt manifestation of > > > > > > > > >> > > reinvigorated > > > > > > > > >> > > religious commitment. But it isn't just in the Muslim > > > > > > > > >> > > world that > > > > > > > > >> > > religion is thriving. From Brazil to El Salvador, > > > > > > > > >> > > Protestant > > > > > > > > >> > > evangelicalism is spreading with great success, > > > > > > > > >> > > instilling a spirited, > > > > > > > > >> > > holy zeal throughout Latin America. Pentecostalism is > > > > > > > > >> > > proliferating, > > > > > > > > >> > > too - vigorously - and not only throughout Latin > > > > > > > > >> > > America, but in > > > > > > > > >> > > Africa and even, to a lesser extent, China. And many > > > > > > > > >> > > nations of the > > > > > > > > >> > > former Soviet Union, which had atheism imposed upon them > > > > > > > > >> > > for decades, > > > > > > > > >> > > have emerged from the communist era with their faith not > > > > > > > > >> > > only intact, > > > > > > > > >> > > but strong and vibrant. Here in the United States, > > > > > > > > >> > > religion is > > > > > > > > >> > > definitely alive and well. In terms of church attendance > > > > > > > > >> > > and belief in > > > > > > > > >> > > God, Jesus, and the Bible, religion in the United States > > > > > > > > >> > > is stronger > > > > > > > > >> > > and more robust than in most other developed democracies. > > > > > > > > > >> > > In sum, from Nebraska to Nepal, from Georgia to > > > > > > > > >> > > Guatemala, and from > > > > > > > > >> > > Utah to Uganda, humans all over the globe are vigorously > > > > > > > > >> > > praising > > > > > > > > >> > > various deities; regularly attending services at > > > > > > > > >> > > churches, temples, > > > > > > > > >> > > and mosques; persistently studying sacred texts; > > > > > > > > >> > > dutifully performing > > > > > > > > >> > > holy rites; energetically carrying out spiritual > > > > > > > > >> > > rituals; soberly > > > > > > > > >> > > defending the world from sin; piously fasting; and > > > > > > > > >> > > enthusiastically > > > > > > > > >> > > praying and then praying some more, singing, praising, > > > > > > > > >> > > and loving this > > > > > > > > >> > > or that savior, prophet, or God. > > > > > > > > > >> > > But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring to > > > > > > > > >> > > two nations in > > > > > > > > >> > > particular, Denmark and Sweden, which are probably the > > > > > > > > >> > > least religious > > > > > > > > >> > > countries in the world, and possibly in the history of > > > > > > > > >> > > the world. > > > > > > > > >> > > Amidst all this vibrant global piety - atop the vast > > > > > > > > >> > > swelling sea of > > > > > > > > >> > > sacredness - Denmark and Sweden float along like small, > > > > > > > > >> > > content, > > > > > > > > >> > > durable dinghies of secular life, where most people are > > > > > > > > >> > > nonreligious > > > > > > > > >> > > and don't worship Jesus or Vishnu, don't revere sacred > > > > > > > > >> > > texts, don't > > > > > > > > >> > > pray, and don't give much credence to the essential > > > > > > > > >> > > dogmas of the > > > > > > > > >> > > world's great faiths. > > > > > > > > > >> > > In clean and green Scandinavia, few people speak of God, > > > > > > > > >> > > few people > > > > > > > > >> > > spend much time thinking about theological matters, and > > > > > > > > >> > > although their > > > > > > > > >> > > media in recent years has done an unusually large amount > > > > > > > > >> > > of reporting > > > > > > > > >> > > on religion, even that is offered as an attempt to > > > > > > > > >> > > grapple with and > > > > > > > > >> > > make sense of a strange foreign phenomenon out there in > > > > > > > > >> > > the wider > > > > > > > > >> > > world that refuses to disappear, a phenomenon that takes > > > > > > > > >> > > on such dire > > > > > > > > >> > > significance for everyone - except, well, for Danes and > > > > > > > > >> > > Swedes. > > > > > > > > > >> > > What are societies like when faith in God is minimal, > > > > > > > > >> > > church > > > > > > > > >> > > attendance is drastically low, and religion is a > > > > > > > > >> > > distinctly muted and > > > > > > > > >> > > marginal aspect of everyday life? > > > > > > > > > >> > > Many people assume that religion is what keeps people > > > > > > > > >> > > moral, that a > > > > > > > > >> > > society without God would be hell on earth: rampant with > > > > > > > > >> > > immorality, > > > > > > > > >> > > full of evil, and teeming with depravity. But that > > > > > > > > >> > > doesn't seem to be > > > > > > > > >> > > the case for Scandinavians in those two countries. > > > > > > > > >> > > Although they may > > > > > > > > >> > > have relatively high rates of petty crime and burglary, > > > > > > > > >> > > and although > > > > > > > > >> > > these crime rates have been on the rise in recent > > > > > > > > >> > > decades, their > > > > > > > > >> > > overall rates of violent crime - including murder, > > > > > > > > >> > > aggravated assault, > > > > > > > > >> > > and rape - are among the lowest on earth. Yet the > > > > > > > > >> > > majority of Danes > > > > > > > > >> > > and Swedes do not believe that God is "up there," > > > > > > > > >> > > keeping diligent > > > > > > > > >> > > tabs on their behavior, slating the good for heaven and > > > > > > > > >> > > the wicked for > > > > > > > > >> > > hell. Most Danes and Swedes don't believe that sin > > > > > > > > >> > > permeates the > > > > > > > > >> > > world, and that only Jesus, the Son of God, who died for > > > > > > > > >> > > their sins, > > > > > > > > >> > > can serve as a remedy. In fact, most Danes and Swedes > > > > > > > > >> > > don't even > > > > > > > > >> > > believe in the notion of "sin." > > > > > > > > > >> > > So the typical Dane or Swede doesn't believe all that > > > > > > > > >> > > much in God. And > > > > > > > > >> > > simultaneously, they don't commit much murder. But > > > > > > > > >> > > aren't they a dour, > > > > > > > > >> > > depressed lot, all the same? Not according to Ruut > > > > > > > > >> > > Veenhoven, > > > > > > > > >> > > professor emeritus of social conditions for human > > > > > > > > >> > > happiness at Erasmus > > > > > > > > >> > > University Rotterdam. Veenhoven is a leading authority > > > > > > > > >> > > on worldwide > > > > > > > > >> > > levels of happiness from country to country. He recently > > > > > > > > >> > > ranked 91 > > > > > > > > >> > > nations on an international happiness scale, basing his > > > > > > > > >> > > research on > > > > > > > > >> > > cumulative scores from numerous worldwide > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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