You are a self described catholic, his comment about your presumed belief is accurate until you modify your description of your religion of choice.
On Jan 14, 3:25 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > You are mistaken about my religious beliefs and lifestyle, but right > about my mod role. Comments here should be directed at the ideas, not > the person. I am not digging for confrontation a bit. If you have a > question about my statements in this thread, I suggest you be more > direct about the statements, and not rely on your assessment of my > character (which appears to be off the mark.) > > On Jan 14, 4:29 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No its not snide at all, Molly but being that you ask I'd have to say > > you have been a bit edgy as of late, possibly the mod role initiating > > a keener sense of commentary. My comment addresses the biblical > > accounts of differentiating gender and marital roles, not hard to > > understand, secondly I'm under the impression that you are based in a > > biblical lifestyle, if not then forget it. Christian women willingly > > defer to their husbands by default, at least those that I know who are > > seriously attentive to biblical teachings. The comment, not remark, > > wearing the pants in the family is a very common, well known phrase > > that indicates who rules the roost. If you are digging for > > confrontation I'll just stay on the other side of the street. > > > On Jan 14, 2:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know what you mean. Is your remark snide? > > > > On Jan 14, 2:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would think that you most of all should already ascribe to the > > > > doctrines of difference in religiously designated marital roles, in > > > > the biblical sense. Or do you wear the pants in the family? > > > > > On Jan 14, 12:58 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't see the importance in defining the difference there. > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:34 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > To have a religion (a product of culture) is to have a leader to > > > > > > lead > > > > > > to God. Unnatural in a relationship. For those of you who are > > > > > > married > > > > > > imagine needing a leader there. How will you define a difference > > > > > > there? > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Pat > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 14 Jan, 16:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Makes a lot of sense Pat. ;-] > > > > > > > > Cheers, mate! I do try. But it's my "life's work", as it were; > > > > > > > so I > > > > > > > want it to be as sound as possible. Although, I know that, even > > > > > > > though I speak the truth, many people will be VERY upset by that. > > > > > > > But, that, I'm afraid, goes with the role. ;-) > > > > > > > >> On Jan 14, 7:21 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > On 14 Jan, 08:42, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > The world seems more religious than ever these days. > > > > > > > >> > > Across the Middle East, fervent forms of Islam are growing > > > > > > >> > > more > > > > > > >> > > popular and more politically active. Muslim nations that > > > > > > >> > > were somewhat > > > > > > >> > > secularized 40 years ago - like Lebanon and Iran - are now > > > > > > >> > > teeming > > > > > > >> > > with fundamentalism. In Turkey and Egypt, increasing numbers > > > > > > >> > > of women > > > > > > >> > > are turning to the veil as an overt manifestation of > > > > > > >> > > reinvigorated > > > > > > >> > > religious commitment. But it isn't just in the Muslim world > > > > > > >> > > that > > > > > > >> > > religion is thriving. From Brazil to El Salvador, Protestant > > > > > > >> > > evangelicalism is spreading with great success, instilling a > > > > > > >> > > spirited, > > > > > > >> > > holy zeal throughout Latin America. Pentecostalism is > > > > > > >> > > proliferating, > > > > > > >> > > too - vigorously - and not only throughout Latin America, > > > > > > >> > > but in > > > > > > >> > > Africa and even, to a lesser extent, China. And many nations > > > > > > >> > > of the > > > > > > >> > > former Soviet Union, which had atheism imposed upon them for > > > > > > >> > > decades, > > > > > > >> > > have emerged from the communist era with their faith not > > > > > > >> > > only intact, > > > > > > >> > > but strong and vibrant. Here in the United States, religion > > > > > > >> > > is > > > > > > >> > > definitely alive and well. In terms of church attendance and > > > > > > >> > > belief in > > > > > > >> > > God, Jesus, and the Bible, religion in the United States is > > > > > > >> > > stronger > > > > > > >> > > and more robust than in most other developed democracies. > > > > > > > >> > > In sum, from Nebraska to Nepal, from Georgia to Guatemala, > > > > > > >> > > and from > > > > > > >> > > Utah to Uganda, humans all over the globe are vigorously > > > > > > >> > > praising > > > > > > >> > > various deities; regularly attending services at churches, > > > > > > >> > > temples, > > > > > > >> > > and mosques; persistently studying sacred texts; dutifully > > > > > > >> > > performing > > > > > > >> > > holy rites; energetically carrying out spiritual rituals; > > > > > > >> > > soberly > > > > > > >> > > defending the world from sin; piously fasting; and > > > > > > >> > > enthusiastically > > > > > > >> > > praying and then praying some more, singing, praising, and > > > > > > >> > > loving this > > > > > > >> > > or that savior, prophet, or God. > > > > > > > >> > > But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring to two > > > > > > >> > > nations in > > > > > > >> > > particular, Denmark and Sweden, which are probably the least > > > > > > >> > > religious > > > > > > >> > > countries in the world, and possibly in the history of the > > > > > > >> > > world. > > > > > > >> > > Amidst all this vibrant global piety - atop the vast > > > > > > >> > > swelling sea of > > > > > > >> > > sacredness - Denmark and Sweden float along like small, > > > > > > >> > > content, > > > > > > >> > > durable dinghies of secular life, where most people are > > > > > > >> > > nonreligious > > > > > > >> > > and don't worship Jesus or Vishnu, don't revere sacred > > > > > > >> > > texts, don't > > > > > > >> > > pray, and don't give much credence to the essential dogmas > > > > > > >> > > of the > > > > > > >> > > world's great faiths. > > > > > > > >> > > In clean and green Scandinavia, few people speak of God, few > > > > > > >> > > people > > > > > > >> > > spend much time thinking about theological matters, and > > > > > > >> > > although their > > > > > > >> > > media in recent years has done an unusually large amount of > > > > > > >> > > reporting > > > > > > >> > > on religion, even that is offered as an attempt to grapple > > > > > > >> > > with and > > > > > > >> > > make sense of a strange foreign phenomenon out there in the > > > > > > >> > > wider > > > > > > >> > > world that refuses to disappear, a phenomenon that takes on > > > > > > >> > > such dire > > > > > > >> > > significance for everyone - except, well, for Danes and > > > > > > >> > > Swedes. > > > > > > > >> > > What are societies like when faith in God is minimal, church > > > > > > >> > > attendance is drastically low, and religion is a distinctly > > > > > > >> > > muted and > > > > > > >> > > marginal aspect of everyday life? > > > > > > > >> > > Many people assume that religion is what keeps people moral, > > > > > > >> > > that a > > > > > > >> > > society without God would be hell on earth: rampant with > > > > > > >> > > immorality, > > > > > > >> > > full of evil, and teeming with depravity. But that doesn't > > > > > > >> > > seem to be > > > > > > >> > > the case for Scandinavians in those two countries. Although > > > > > > >> > > they may > > > > > > >> > > have relatively high rates of petty crime and burglary, and > > > > > > >> > > although > > > > > > >> > > these crime rates have been on the rise in recent decades, > > > > > > >> > > their > > > > > > >> > > overall rates of violent crime - including murder, > > > > > > >> > > aggravated assault, > > > > > > >> > > and rape - are among the lowest on earth. Yet the majority > > > > > > >> > > of Danes > > > > > > >> > > and Swedes do not believe that God is "up there," keeping > > > > > > >> > > diligent > > > > > > >> > > tabs on their behavior, slating the good for heaven and the > > > > > > >> > > wicked for > > > > > > >> > > hell. Most Danes and Swedes don't believe that sin permeates > > > > > > >> > > the > > > > > > >> > > world, and that only Jesus, the Son of God, who died for > > > > > > >> > > their sins, > > > > > > >> > > can serve as a remedy. In fact, most Danes and Swedes don't > > > > > > >> > > even > > > > > > >> > > believe in the notion of "sin." > > > > > > > >> > > So the typical Dane or Swede doesn't believe all that much > > > > > > >> > > in God. And > > > > > > >> > > simultaneously, they don't commit much murder. But aren't > > > > > > >> > > they a dour, > > > > > > >> > > depressed lot, all the same? Not according to Ruut Veenhoven, > > > > > > >> > > professor emeritus of social conditions for human happiness > > > > > > >> > > at Erasmus > > > > > > >> > > University Rotterdam. Veenhoven is a leading authority on > > > > > > >> > > worldwide > > > > > > >> > > levels of happiness from country to country. He recently > > > > > > >> > > ranked 91 > > > > > > >> > > nations on an international happiness scale, basing his > > > > > > >> > > research on > > > > > > >> > > cumulative scores from numerous worldwide surveys. According > > > > > > >> > > to his > > > > > > >> > > calculations, the country that leads the globe - ranking No. > > > > > > >> > > 1 in > > > > > > >> > > terms of its residents' overall level of happiness - is > > > > > > >> > > little, > > > > > > >> > > peaceful, and relatively godless Denmark. > > > > > > > >> > > The connection between religion - or the lack thereof - and > > > > > > >> > > societal > > > > > > >> > > health is admittedly complex. It is difficult to definitively > > > > > > >> > > establish that secularism is always good for society and > > > > > > >> > > religion > > > > > > >> > > always bad. However, the often posited opposite claim is > > > > > > >> > > equally > > > > > > >> > > difficult to substantiate: that secularism is always bad for > > > > > > >> > > a society > > > > > > >> > > and religion always good. To be sure, in some instances, > > > > > > >> > > religion can > > > > > > >> > > be a strong and positive ingredient in establishing societal > > > > > > >> > > health, > > > > > > >> > > prosperity, and well-being. And when considering what factors > > > > > > >> > > contribute to the making of a good society, religion can be > > > > > > >> > > a positive > > > > > > >> > > force. > > > > > > > >> > > Here in the United States, for example, religious ideals > > > > > > >> > > often serve > > > > > > >> > > as a beneficial counterbalance against the cutthroat brand of > > > > > > >> > > individualism that can be so rampant and dominating. > > > > > > >> > > Religious > > > > > > >> > > congregations in America serve as community centers, > > > > > > >> > > counseling > > > > > > >> > > providers, and day-care sites. And a significant amount of > > > > > > >> > > research > > > > > > >> > > has shown that moderately religious Americans report greater > > > > > > >> > > subjective well-being and life satisfaction, greater marital > > > > > > >> > > satisfaction, better family cohesion, and fewer symptoms of > > > > > > >> > > depression > > > > > > >> > > than the nonreligious. 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