Ah! Vam! What a quaint life. The power of stories and fables, myths and fairies at the bottom of the garden is well-known. The IPCC has just launched another, in the name of science, about the Himalayan glaciers. Dawkins, in his confused affluence launches others, the myth being he is spreading the gospel of science, rather than raking it in. Spotting what the myth is is not easy. The all-knowing always project from myth and indeed into myth. Ort has always been connected to ought, and origin fades quickly from scrutiny amongst those gasping for the soma of certainty. At last I know where the Dardanelles are Gabby, having once thought they were mythical warts on Churchill's posterior (from Freudian analysis of his fixation with them). Does it matter that Julius Caesar did not invade Britain and had trouble getting his lads on the boat after there few clashes with the militarily useless hordes of Albion? Or to learn that history was written by sycophantic myth builders? Now I'm into myth spotting, I shall have to bequeath my anoraks to Vam and Orn, for someone will have to complete my great work on train-spotting. I suspect, capable as they are in myth-spotting denial, they will decline. Francis will only join them on the Orient Express, requiring as he will, more literally-correct trains. On the basis of your clip, I can only suppose that that face launched a thousand ships in exodus. With women posing about as ethereally as that, I'd have had to invent the steam engine. We'd have sailed North (or South) to a massed band of the Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No). Not, I hope, (in potential instant embarrassment) one of your starring roles darling?
The power of myth is not in doubt, nor that once debunked, some of us can dream again. On 31 Jan, 23:10, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't even have a problem with the shallow truths: > "Raoul Schrott, Literaturwissenschaftler und Kenner der > hellenistischen Frühzeit, behauptet, Schliemanns Troia im Nordwesten > der Türkei sei nicht der Ort aus Homers "Ilias". Der Film prüft die > These."http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/startseite#/beitrag/vi... > No need to translate for Vam. > > On 31 Jan., 16:45, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Myths are stories and stories evoke very deep resonances within us. > > Even though I cheerfully admit to an agnostic, non-religious, > > basically materialistic viewpoint, I certainly wouldn't want to do > > without stories. There are many different ways to realisation of > > different truths, particularly, as Vam points out, with reference to > > what it means to be human. The rational, analytic way is not the only > > way to go. > > > Myths can be sources of inspiration and contemplation - even if you > > don't buy into a Jungian psychological Weltanschauung. But there are, > > of course, also great dangers in them, particularly when people try to > > use them as substitutes for or opponents to scientific facts; > > creationism is one good example of this. Personally, I have no problem > > in appreciating the deep truths involved in stories; whether the > > Ulysses be from Homer or Joyce. > > > Francis > > > On 31 Jan., 12:48, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Neil, I understand " need spotting " and yet do not, considering the > > > nature of myths. > > > > Let me first declare that myths are about humanity, human nature, > > > human emotions, human values and aspirations, human tragedies and > > > highs, human dilemmas, human fears and courage, human stupidities and > > > intelligence, human failings and triumphs. > > > > The historical veracity and factual actuality pertaining to > > > particulars in myths just does not matter. A myth is what it does, to > > > me, to children, to people who are hearing it for the first time, for > > > the nth time, quite in those human terms I have pointed out. > > > > I find it foolish when people go about looking for history in myths. > > > Scientists and educated minds who insist on establishing science and > > > technology inaccuracies in myths are in fact not educated enough. Dare > > > I say that I find them stupid, vacant in their upper storey ! > > > > On Jan 31, 3:20 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > ...such as the fact that myths need spotting? ;-) > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:32 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Myths, of course, need spotting, as many reel them off as though fact. > > > > > > On 30 Jan, 16:28, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Speaking of lay people and experts, fiddler, you'll find that the > > > > > > contributors here are a surprising mixture of both - on almost any > > > > > > subject you care to mention. Which does, of course, mean that > > > > > > generalising, off-the-cuff posts are usually an occasion for expert > > > > > > peer-review ... > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > On 29 Jan., 22:32, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > sorry, that was more snarky than intended. I'm very pressured and > > > > > > > frustrated. My paper was written to be viewed by faculty, > > > > > > > therefore I > > > > > > > wrote in simplified terms for lay people. It was SUPPOSED to be > > > > > > > written as if pending review into a journal. Which of course, > > > > > > > needed a > > > > > > > complete rewrite to remove any ambiguous terms and concepts in > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > to be read and judged by experts... > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 12:10 pm, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I had to completely revise a paper on soil composition and > > > > > > > > sedimentary > > > > > > > > content, that's why I only jump on quickly. Sorry if this isn't > > > > > > > > anywhere near the top of my priority list. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 8:50 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 29 January 2010 16:36, Vamadevananda > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Allan spoke with a reference. The response needs to be > > > > > > > > > > likewise > > > > > > > > > > pertinent. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, get in the queue Vam! I'm still waiting for Fiddler to > > > > > > > > > give references > > > > > > > > > on Venezuela. :) > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
