It may be a function of imagination, Neil, to clarify our internal environment by dumping the internal buzz of thoughts and feelings that do not serve, and present barriers to access of the internal senses necessary for self realization. Snapping the chains of illusion can only happen within our own state of consciousness. Imagination may even be the vehicle that transports us from state to state, allowing the unnecessary buzz to fall away. Our complicity with "this evil" comes only without our recognition that it is ours, yet unnecessary to us, as is the opposite of it. Our complicity comes in our insistence that there is an evil "out there", that there is an "out there" that is not intregal to our internal environment or state of consciousness. Our complicity comes with the fear that we are this evil, and the fear that we are not. What you call "another and necessary reality" is there for us when we can leave this shadow aspect of ourselves, and move beyond duality. The emergent state, paradoxically, is all good, but not good as defined by evil. Good without an opposite or value to our identity. This viewpoint is available to everyone, as is the change of state of consciousness it brings.
I started this thread because for me, imagination seems to be like Brahaman, all pervasive and attributable to all. I struggle with more defination for it, and know that it is ultimately important to life. I think you get to the heart of it. On Feb 11, 6:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure it would be mastery Ash, but the issue nonetheless. > Imagination may be the route into more than 5 senses (science admits > to about 20). There is definitely a point in science when one is > guessing and imagining what reality might be - the as yet fantastic > (yet maths and model driven) multiverse explanations being an example > of what we may be able to "see". I believe there is something much > bleaker we refuse to see, pretty much the extent to which we allow > evil to plot its banal path in our politics with insufficient > 'blinking' to see there is another and necessary reality we should be > living, a need to snap the chains of illusion to see our complicity > with this evil. > > On 11 Feb, 05:22, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think there might even be a bit of imagination lent the experience of > > reality. If our tendencies are built up by experience, yet a few > > thoughts can undo all of that, perhaps the experience of the real and > > imaginary occur in the same mental space. For some they may be > > indistinguishable (for lack of better term: psychosis), I try to keep a > > keen eye on my romancing and reminiscing and regard them as allies to > > the more universally shared environs. > > > 1Cell's idea of 'mental models' and 'daydreaming' is a pretty neat way > > of putting it and when I am exploring this creativity it is usually a > > process of switching back and forth, rebuilding and testing. Much of > > this relies on analogy and allegory, which a broad base of knowledge of > > different fields/experiences is a godsend. One of my favorite daydreams > > (long before it appeared in cinema) has been exploring hypothetical > > scenarios and testing my wit against mechanical systems in operation. My > > test is observing actual causal chains, refactoring and allocating. > > > This is a powerful skill that is vastly underestimated, the more > > interaction one gets with more diverse mental models the ability to > > creatively apply them seems to exponentially increase. An interesting > > property is the universality of mental models, if one gets accustomed to > > this way of thinking everything is hacking-game: cosmology, > > spirituality, psychology, religion, philosophy, software (firmware, PLC, > > higher level), the many varied sciences (+science fiction), our selves, > > and all the things and people in our environment and interrelations. > > > I am convinced that this is an innate feature of mankind, something we > > know well when we live more in tune with our environment. Sadly, it goes > > unaccounted for in the agendas of modern institutions. This I think is > > the challenge for the modern man, a reemergence of identity and mastery > > of What and Where (not just space-time) we are. > > > *All IMO > > > My 'sin' is suffering, > > -Ash > > > On 2/10/2010 3:56 PM, Molly wrote: > > > > What is imagination? Is it useful and if so, how do you use it and/or > > > can it be a hindrance? > > > > In a brief discussion dedicated to imagination (De Anima iii 3), > > > Aristotle identifies it as that in virtue of which an image occurs in > > > us (De Anima iii 3, 428aa1-2), where this is evidently given a broad > > > range of application to the activities involved in thoughts, dreams, > > > and memories. Both Husserl and Sartre theorized imagination as > > > picture consciousness, and Sartre wrote two books on the imagination > > > early in his career, defining imagination as the synthesis of our > > > knowledge of and our intention, and imaginary objects as a "melange > > > of past impressions and recent knowledge" (The Imaginary 90) > > > > Dr. Carl G. Jung said, All the works of man have their origin in > > > creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate imagination. > > > His psychology emphasized Active Imagination as a method for > > > visualizing unconscious issues by letting them act themselves out. > > > Active Imagination personifies the "parts" of us that are talking -- > > > to create more clarity or even resolution that might not be possible > > > with ordinary linear problem-solving. > > > > Cognitive psychology focused on mental imagery in the 1970s. Great > > > claims continue to be made, by some, for the healing powers of guided > > > imagery, whereby clients (or patients) are encouraged to visualize > > > particular scenes or scenarios thought to have therapeutic value > > > (e.g., Rossman, 2000). Guided imagery techniques have been claimed to > > > be effective for purposes ranging from chronic pain relief (e.g., > > > Fontaine, 2000) to breast enlargement and global spiritual renewal > > > (Willard, 1977; Ekstein, 2001) Currently, Noetic Science (the study > > > of how thoughts interact with the physical world) continues these > > > studies. > > > > Imagination is not limited to only seeing pictures in the mind, it > > > includes all the five senses and the feelings. Imagination makes it > > > possible to experience a whole world inside the mind. It gives the > > > ability to look at any situation from a different point of view, and > > > enables one to mentally explore the past and the future. Is > > > imagination the common thread that unites creative endeavors? > > > > According to the Dictionary of Philosophy of Mind : despite being a > > > familiar word of everyday language, imagination is a very complex, > > > contested, and evaluatively loaded concept. It, like many cognate > > > terms, often appears to have radically different senses and > > > connotations when used in different contexts. > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
