I think we are living in a suppression culture Molly. What you talk of could come about, but is perhaps more of a leap into the unknown than we tend to think when we idealize, than it need be if we had a better analysis of some of the very practical matters.
On 11 Feb, 15:33, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > It may be a function of imagination, Neil, to clarify our internal > environment by dumping the internal buzz of thoughts and feelings that > do not serve, and present barriers to access of the internal senses > necessary for self realization. Snapping the chains of illusion can > only happen within our own state of consciousness. Imagination may > even be the vehicle that transports us from state to state, allowing > the unnecessary buzz to fall away. Our complicity with "this evil" > comes only without our recognition that it is ours, yet unnecessary to > us, as is the opposite of it. Our complicity comes in our insistence > that there is an evil "out there", that there is an "out there" that > is not intregal to our internal environment or state of > consciousness. Our complicity comes with the fear that we are this > evil, and the fear that we are not. What you call "another and > necessary reality" is there for us when we can leave this shadow > aspect of ourselves, and move beyond duality. The emergent state, > paradoxically, is all good, but not good as defined by evil. Good > without an opposite or value to our identity. This viewpoint is > available to everyone, as is the change of state of consciousness it > brings. > > I started this thread because for me, imagination seems to be like > Brahaman, all pervasive and attributable to all. I struggle with more > defination for it, and know that it is ultimately important to life. > I think you get to the heart of it. > > On Feb 11, 6:56 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm not sure it would be mastery Ash, but the issue nonetheless. > > Imagination may be the route into more than 5 senses (science admits > > to about 20). There is definitely a point in science when one is > > guessing and imagining what reality might be - the as yet fantastic > > (yet maths and model driven) multiverse explanations being an example > > of what we may be able to "see". I believe there is something much > > bleaker we refuse to see, pretty much the extent to which we allow > > evil to plot its banal path in our politics with insufficient > > 'blinking' to see there is another and necessary reality we should be > > living, a need to snap the chains of illusion to see our complicity > > with this evil. > > > On 11 Feb, 05:22, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think there might even be a bit of imagination lent the experience of > > > reality. If our tendencies are built up by experience, yet a few > > > thoughts can undo all of that, perhaps the experience of the real and > > > imaginary occur in the same mental space. For some they may be > > > indistinguishable (for lack of better term: psychosis), I try to keep a > > > keen eye on my romancing and reminiscing and regard them as allies to > > > the more universally shared environs. > > > > 1Cell's idea of 'mental models' and 'daydreaming' is a pretty neat way > > > of putting it and when I am exploring this creativity it is usually a > > > process of switching back and forth, rebuilding and testing. Much of > > > this relies on analogy and allegory, which a broad base of knowledge of > > > different fields/experiences is a godsend. One of my favorite daydreams > > > (long before it appeared in cinema) has been exploring hypothetical > > > scenarios and testing my wit against mechanical systems in operation. My > > > test is observing actual causal chains, refactoring and allocating. > > > > This is a powerful skill that is vastly underestimated, the more > > > interaction one gets with more diverse mental models the ability to > > > creatively apply them seems to exponentially increase. An interesting > > > property is the universality of mental models, if one gets accustomed to > > > this way of thinking everything is hacking-game: cosmology, > > > spirituality, psychology, religion, philosophy, software (firmware, PLC, > > > higher level), the many varied sciences (+science fiction), our selves, > > > and all the things and people in our environment and interrelations. > > > > I am convinced that this is an innate feature of mankind, something we > > > know well when we live more in tune with our environment. Sadly, it goes > > > unaccounted for in the agendas of modern institutions. This I think is > > > the challenge for the modern man, a reemergence of identity and mastery > > > of What and Where (not just space-time) we are. > > > > *All IMO > > > > My 'sin' is suffering, > > > -Ash > > > > On 2/10/2010 3:56 PM, Molly wrote: > > > > > What is imagination? Is it useful and if so, how do you use it and/or > > > > can it be a hindrance? > > > > > In a brief discussion dedicated to imagination (De Anima iii 3), > > > > Aristotle identifies it as that in virtue of which an image occurs in > > > > us (De Anima iii 3, 428aa1-2), where this is evidently given a broad > > > > range of application to the activities involved in thoughts, dreams, > > > > and memories. Both Husserl and Sartre theorized imagination as > > > > picture consciousness, and Sartre wrote two books on the imagination > > > > early in his career, defining imagination as the synthesis of our > > > > knowledge of and our intention, and imaginary objects as a "melange > > > > of past impressions and recent knowledge" (The Imaginary 90) > > > > > Dr. Carl G. Jung said, All the works of man have their origin in > > > > creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate imagination. > > > > His psychology emphasized Active Imagination as a method for > > > > visualizing unconscious issues by letting them act themselves out. > > > > Active Imagination personifies the "parts" of us that are talking -- > > > > to create more clarity or even resolution that might not be possible > > > > with ordinary linear problem-solving. > > > > > Cognitive psychology focused on mental imagery in the 1970s. Great > > > > claims continue to be made, by some, for the healing powers of guided > > > > imagery, whereby clients (or patients) are encouraged to visualize > > > > particular scenes or scenarios thought to have therapeutic value > > > > (e.g., Rossman, 2000). Guided imagery techniques have been claimed to > > > > be effective for purposes ranging from chronic pain relief (e.g., > > > > Fontaine, 2000) to breast enlargement and global spiritual renewal > > > > (Willard, 1977; Ekstein, 2001) Currently, Noetic Science (the study > > > > of how thoughts interact with the physical world) continues these > > > > studies. > > > > > Imagination is not limited to only seeing pictures in the mind, it > > > > includes all the five senses and the feelings. Imagination makes it > > > > possible to experience a whole world inside the mind. It gives the > > > > ability to look at any situation from a different point of view, and > > > > enables one to mentally explore the past and the future. Is > > > > imagination the common thread that unites creative endeavors? > > > > > According to the Dictionary of Philosophy of Mind : despite being a > > > > familiar word of everyday language, imagination is a very complex, > > > > contested, and evaluatively loaded concept. It, like many cognate > > > > terms, often appears to have radically different senses and > > > > connotations when used in different contexts. > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
