I have to agree Molly. The cult of individualism denies people. On 17 Feb, 16:14, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > Now its gone. Imagine that. > > On Feb 16, 10:38 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I just threw out the last pages of a tablet that read "Life is a > > bitch. Then you die." :-) > > > On Feb 15, 6:32 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hah a hard line to walk as always. Just a little too much > > > intropection or a little too much it's opposite does not a balanced > > > mind make. > > > > *Sigh* As me old dad is wont to say, 'Life is hard and then you die'. > > > > On 14 Feb, 14:01, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I do agree, Gibbs, that our own internal conflicts are expressed and > > > > reflected in the world around us. Convincing folks to self examine > > > > isn't always easy, as many are stuck in the "him, not me" mentality > > > > that is a natural exploration of "not me" but perceived in separation > > > > as "I don't like him and he is not me," creating an internal (and > > > > often external) conflict. Imagining our connection to everyone, here, > > > > is essential in resolving the conflict. > > > > > On Feb 13, 11:10 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > If everyone in the world would take a trip into their inner space, > > > > > identify their internal splits, find a method to reconcile them, > > > > > peace would break out in short order. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:53 am > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Imagine All The People Living Life In Peace > > > > > > Couldn't but agree Molly, but we run into the language problems of the > > > > > realist hypothesis we all accept whilst crossing the road. The > > > > > Sophists used to ridicule Socrates as holding back talent and the > > > > > imagination, having decided everything was possible in a culture of > > > > > rhetorical invention. 1Cell is covering this ground well above. > > > > > Hierarchy is the first practical matter in my view - practical in this > > > > > sense probably relies on some half-life theory of social facts. > > > > > > On 13 Feb, 04:09, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I concur with your opinion expressed below: > > > > > > "I think there might even be a bit of imagination lent the > > > > > > experience > > > > > > of > > > > > > reality. If our tendencies are built up by experience, yet a few > > > > > > thoughts can undo all of that, perhaps the experience of the real > > > > > > and > > > > > > imaginary occur in the same mental space. For some they may be > > > > > > indistinguishable." > > > > > > > We all have illusions about reality based, perhaps, on how we think > > > > > > it > > > > > > should be, or on how we fear that it might be, or just on the > > > > > > categories of experience that are in our mental models of the world. > > > > > > There are many instances where a person is unable or unwilling to > > > > > > recognize that something is wrong, particularly with himself. I > > > > > > think > > > > > > that may be why so many are in the habit of looking at others with a > > > > > > critical eye: so that they don't have to face their own faults. But > > > > > > it is actually liberating to see something in one's self that is > > > > > > both > > > > > > worthy of and possible to improve. I am thinking of 12 step > > > > > > programs > > > > > > here, but also more complex issues of habitual responses. > > > > > > > As for changing the way that power is allocated and used in society, > > > > > > it is good to imagine other models: for example, one where neither > > > > > > campaigning nor even nominating is involved, but where people are > > > > > > chosen based on their record for serving others and acting justly. I > > > > > > would prefer to give the job of keeping order and allocating public > > > > > > resources to someone who is not interested in power, but rather is a > > > > > > proven servant of the people. (I think President Obama actually fits > > > > > > this description. It is amazing that was elected!) > > > > > > > On the other hand,the science of marketing is used to stimulate us > > > > > > to > > > > > > imagine that one candidate is good and the other bad. The resulting > > > > > > image in the minds of the people is mostly illusion. The saddest > > > > > > part > > > > > > of this process is that fear of the bad seems to be a stronger > > > > > > motivator than perceptin of good, which is why smear campaigns are > > > > > > often successful. > > > > > > > There is also this: our imagination (or, better stated, our > > > > > > "envisioning") of how we wish to be as people can have a powerful > > > > > > effect over time on who we are. Who we are in the world can have a > > > > > > powerful affect on those around us, and eventually on society. > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 12:22 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think there might even be a bit of imagination lent the > > > > > > > experience of > > > > > > > reality. If our tendencies are built up by experience, yet a few > > > > > > > thoughts can undo all of that, perhaps the experience of the real > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > imaginary occur in the same mental space. For some they may be > > > > > > > indistinguishable (for lack of better term: psychosis), I try to > > > > > > > keep a > > > > > > > keen eye on my romancing and reminiscing and regard them as > > > > > > > allies to > > > > > > > the more universally shared environs. > > > > > > > > 1Cell's idea of 'mental models' and 'daydreaming' is a pretty > > > > > > > neat way > > > > > > > of putting it and when I am exploring this creativity it is > > > > > > > usually a > > > > > > > process of switching back and forth, rebuilding and testing. Much > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > this relies on analogy and allegory, which a broad base of > > > > > > > knowledge of > > > > > > > different fields/experiences is a godsend. One of my favorite > > > > > > > daydreams > > > > > > > (long before it appeared in cinema) has been exploring > > > > > > > hypothetical > > > > > > > scenarios and testing my wit against mechanical systems in > > > > > > > operation. My > > > > > > > test is observing actual causal chains, refactoring and > > > > > > > allocating. > > > > > > > > This is a powerful skill that is vastly underestimated, the more > > > > > > > interaction one gets with more diverse mental models the ability > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > creatively apply them seems to exponentially increase. An > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > property is the universality of mental models, if one gets > > > > > > > accustomed to > > > > > > > this way of thinking everything is hacking-game: cosmology, > > > > > > > spirituality, psychology, religion, philosophy, software > > > > > > > (firmware, PLC, > > > > > > > higher level), the many varied sciences (+science fiction), our > > > > > > > selves, > > > > > > > and all the things and people in our environment and > > > > > > > interrelations. > > > > > > > > I am convinced that this is an innate feature of mankind, > > > > > > > something we > > > > > > > know well when we live more in tune with our environment. Sadly, > > > > > > > it goes > > > > > > > unaccounted for in the agendas of modern institutions. This I > > > > > > > think is > > > > > > > the challenge for the modern man, a reemergence of identity and > > > > > > > mastery > > > > > > > of What and Where (not just space-time) we are. > > > > > > > > *All IMO > > > > > > > > My 'sin' is suffering, > > > > > > > -Ash > > > > > > > > On 2/10/2010 3:56 PM, Molly wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is imagination? Is it useful and if so, how do you use it > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > can it be a hindrance? > > > > > > > > > In a brief discussion dedicated to imagination (De Anima iii 3), > > > > > > > > Aristotle identifies it as that in virtue of which an image > > > > > > > > occurs in > > > > > > > > us (De Anima iii 3, 428aa1-2), where this is evidently given a > > > > > > > > broad > > > > > > > > range of application to the activities involved in thoughts, > > > > > > > > dreams, > > > > > > > > and memories. Both Husserl and Sartre theorized imagination > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > picture consciousness, and Sartre wrote two books on the > > > > > > > > imagination > > > > > > > > early in his career, defining imagination as the synthesis of > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > knowledge of and our intention, and imaginary objects as a > > > > > > > > "melange > > > > > > > > of past impressions and recent knowledge" (The Imaginary 90) > > > > > > > > > Dr. Carl G. Jung said, All the works of man have their origin in > > > > > > > > creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate > > > > > > > > imagination. > > > > > > > > His psychology emphasized Active Imagination as a method for > > > > > > > > visualizing unconscious issues by letting them act themselves > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > Active Imagination personifies the "parts" of us that are > > > > > > > > talking -- > > > > > > > > to create more clarity or even resolution that might not be > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > with ordinary linear problem-solving. > > > > > > > > > Cognitive psychology focused on mental imagery in the 1970s. > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > claims continue to be made, by some, for the healing powers of > > > > > > > > guided > > > > > > > > imagery, whereby clients (or patients) are encouraged to > > > > > > > > visualize > > > > > > > > particular scenes or scenarios thought to have therapeutic value > > > > > > > > (e.g., Rossman, 2000). Guided imagery techniques have been > > > > > > > > claimed to > > > > > > > > be effective for purposes ranging from chronic pain relief > > > > > > > > (e.g., > > > > > > > > Fontaine, 2000) to breast enlargement and global spiritual > > > > > > > > renewal > > > > > > > > (Willard, 1977; Ekstein, 2001) Currently, Noetic Science (the > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > of how thoughts interact with the physical world) continues > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > studies. > > > > > > > > > Imagination is not limited to only seeing pictures in the mind, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > includes all the five senses and the feelings. Imagination > > > > > > > > makes it > > > > > > > > possible to experience a whole world inside the mind. It gives > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ability to look at any situation from a different point of > > > > > > > > view, and > > > > > > > > enables one to mentally explore the past and the future. Is > > > > > > > > imagination the common thread that unites creative endeavors? > > > > > > > > > According to the Dictionary of Philosophy of Mind : despite > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > familiar word of everyday language, imagination is a very > > > > > > > > complex, > > > > > > > > contested, and evaluatively loaded concept. It, like many > > > > > > > > cognate > > > > > > > > terms, often appears to have > > ... > > read more »
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