Ahhh Molly, you have just pulled it right out of the hat my freind, Ohh I can feel the love growing.
Yes indeed the tenants of my own faith tell me that I am living in a dualistic state. Thanks for reminding me, I guess sometimes I have so much going on in this really rather tiny litte head of mine (no honest, if you ever saw me in the flesh you'll see just what a pin head I have) that some of the stuff I am aware of gets pushed to the back sometimes. Cheers me dears. On 24 Feb, 18:50, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > What I can say, Lee, is that if there are many voices within you, you > are still in a dualistic state. Revelation can only take you to a non > dual state, where right and wrong truth is no longer an issue. Where > there are not many voices, but one. You can only know relative truth > in a state of seperation. Until you experience absolute truth in unity > consciousness, I am sure that every statement that points you there > will seem cryptic. From whence does revelation come? You might as > well ask from whence life comes. The fact that you are asking means > that you are seeking. When you can finally set your seeking down, > along with the burden of dualistic experience, your revelation may > come. > > On Feb 24, 12:53 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hahah ohhh Molly, I love you I surly do but these kinds of words > > remind me much why i decided to leave the Pagan. Too fluffy, cryptic, > > almost meaningless I'm afraid. > > > 'The revelation takes you to a state of what is. When you experience > > it, then the knowing and the feeling and the understanding are all > > included.' > > > From whence does such a revelation come from? How does it express > > itself? In essance you are talking about an inner thing, an inner > > feeling or thought or intuitive understanding, a moment of clarity or > > a an epithiny perhaps. > > > However the same questions arise, how do I tell which one of these is > > true and not some form of mental illness or wishfull thinking? If the > > answers to all of my questions lie inside the divinity within me, how > > do I know which of the many little vioces to listen too? > > > I count amongs my greatest of friends a man who has sufferd with > > schizophrenia for many many years. He livse a good normal life when he > > takes his medication, ahh but I have seen him forget, or in the midst > > of some temopray depression negl;ect to take his medication. The > > differance is startling, it has made me all too aware of the power of > > the mind for self delusion. > > > I have experinaced many, many strange and wonderful things in my > > lifetime, some of which I am convinced are truely magikal in nature > > some of which I know see delusional illuisons. > > > On 24 Feb, 17:14, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As I said, Lee, a revelation is more than a feeling. And living what > > > is true is more than saying or seeing or understanding what is. The > > > revelation takes you to a state of what is. When you experience it, > > > then the knowing and the feeling and the understanding are all > > > included. > > > > If you are looking for a formula to define for you what is true and > > > what is untrue, you may be disappointed. Once you stop seeking the > > > truth, and allow the truth to become all that is, you will know. And > > > the words of others that point to the truth will live in you and for > > > you. > > > > On Feb 24, 9:52 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I get this Molly, but can't help but think how did you come by this > > > > knowledge, and how do you know it is truthfull? > > > > > You quote the words of another yet say that validation for such > > > > belifes and feelings come from within, or more properly the divine > > > > within you. As I asked OM, how did you come by this knowledge? How > > > > do you know it is correct? > > > > > If any person can merely procliam as truth whatever they will based on > > > > an internal feeling, then the world would be in a state. My religoin > > > > also teaches us to question, so here I am questioning, it just not > > > > sound right to me, blind faith, I'll never have that, belifes backedup > > > > by nowt more than an internal feeling, nope not my cup of tea. > > > > > On 24 Feb, 13:57, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Here is a quote from the mystic Krishnamurti that may or may not clear > > > > > things up: > > > > > > The religious mind is something entirely different from the mind that > > > > > believes in religion. You cannot be religious and yet be a Hindu, a > > > > > Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist. A religious mind does not seek at > > > > > all, it cannot experiment with truth. Truth is not something dictated > > > > > by your pleasure or pain, or by your conditioning as a Hindu or > > > > > whatever religion you belong to. The religious mind is a state of mind > > > > > in which there is no fear and therefore no belief whatsoever but only > > > > > what is -what actually is. - Freedom from the Known The Second Penguin > > > > > Krishnamurti Reader > > > > > > I think what he is pointing to is that there is a difference between > > > > > reading the word of God, reiterating those words, understanding those > > > > > words, and LIVING those words. Agape is the word for the love of God > > > > > - differentiated from love between men. However, I believe that we > > > > > are capable of agape, the unconditional love (and forgiveness) that > > > > > has no form or condition, it just is. > > > > > > I think that you come close to the answer to your question, Lee, when > > > > > you touch on the notion of revelation. The blaze of light in every > > > > > word (leonard cohen) is our own revelation with it, that makes the > > > > > difference between the "holy or the broken > > > > > hallelujah."http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/leonardcohen/hallelujah.html > > > > > > Faith requires intospection and self reflection. Every faith I know > > > > > of points us to stepping outside of our ego and identity and into the > > > > > larger unity of life. In terms of knowing whether or not a message > > > > > truly comes from God, this is revealed to you as an internal process > > > > > wherein you realize the state that IS God. When this happens, there > > > > > is no mistaking it. You will be in the state of "what is," more than > > > > > knowing emotionally or intellectually, without but including those > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > It is my experience that everything that crosses my consciousness has > > > > > my consent and is a message from God in that it points the way for me > > > > > to greater self realization. That part of me that is God, loves with > > > > > agape, all that I experience. recognizes all life as sacred, and all > > > > > messages as from God. That part of me, or the state, that places a > > > > > greater or lesser value on messages, that seeks to know, that likes > > > > > and doesn''t like, these are my human states. And like chaotic creams > > > > > without lucidity they come and go now and then. And they always have > > > > > messages that point me back to the state of "what is," if I have the > > > > > wisdom to recognize them. If I am hearing the holy, and not the > > > > > broken, hallelujah. > > > > > > On Feb 24, 5:10 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hah food for thought indeed fids. > > > > > > > Note the very first words of the quote you suppied, what do they > > > > > > suggest to you? > > > > > > > Hardly any major religion must imply that at least one major > > > > > > religion > > > > > > has done so. Given that then can we conclude that whichever > > > > > > religion > > > > > > it was must have a ring of at least honesty if not truth about it? > > > > > > > Thanks Fidss, food for thought indeed. > > > > > > > As to mean, we all find that in strange and wonderful places. > > > > > > Criket, > > > > > > not my bag man, which means I don't understand why Neil loves it so. > > > > > > I do understand that he does though, and that is enough for me. I > > > > > > have said it before and I'll carry on mate until it seeps in. People > > > > > > are differant, the whole world over. > > > > > > > You find no merit in religoin, fine, I really don't mind, it's your > > > > > > life, your choices. Now can you say the same for me? > > > > > > > On 24 Feb, 02:21, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > But then worshipping such a god would have no meaning or purpose > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > every religion thus far would be false. This is the deist attitude > > > > > > > btw, one that holds to god(s) being irrelevant and/or absent. > > > > > > > > Food for thought: > > > > > > > > "How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The universe is much > > > > > > > bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more > > > > > > > elegant'? > > > > > > > Instead they say,'No, no, no! My god is a little god and I want > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > stay that way.' A religion, old or new, that stressed the > > > > > > > magnificence > > > > > > > of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to > > > > > > > draw > > > > > > > forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the > > > > > > > conventional > > > > > > > faiths." > > > > > > > > Carl Sagan > > > > > > > > Pale Blue Dot > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 9:02 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am largley unconcered about that one Fidds. > > > > > > > > > I would expect a God who grants free will, and takes no action > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > the happening on this planet (as is my belife) to let us > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > these sorts of things in our own time. > > > > > > > > > On 23 Feb, 16:01, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You have hit on the exact problem of religion in general. It > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > transcends the culture it is invented in. In these "divine" > > > > > > > > > occurrences there is never any medical knowledge beyond what > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > already known, no technology, and linguistically identical to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > culture and often regarded as the only "true" language that > > > > > > > > > it must be > > > > > > > > > read in, etc.. > > > > > > > > > The values of the god in question are also shockingly similar > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > prophets involved. A small band of unhappy Canaanites > > > > > > > > > invented a god > > > > > > > > > that allowed them to conquer their region and put nearly > > > > > > > > > everyone to > > > > > > > > > the sword as well as justifying the kidnap and rape of any > > > > > > > > > women they > > > > > > > > > want. A gold-digging, illiterate teamster invented a god that > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > > > > > > > him power and prestige, as well as pre-pubescent girls. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
