Without doing a lot of research, one of the first return from god google produced this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/health/policy/28massachusetts.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
In part, it says “Despite a weakening economy, Massachusetts continued to measure gains in the share of residents who reported having a steady source of health care in 2008, its second year of near- universal coverage, a new study has found. But the annual survey, taken each fall since 2006, also raised red flags regarding the ability of residents to actually use that care, with growing numbers saying they could not afford needed treatments and many reporting shortages of primary care physicians…” At least, according to http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/health/policy/28massachusetts.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss it does. According to another study: “The uninsured are more likely to be hospitalized for an avoidable condition. “Nationally, the uninsured are 30 to 50 percent more likely to be hospitalized for an avoidable condition, with the average cost of an avoidable hospital stayed estimated to be about $3,300” Source: “Hidden Costs, Values Lost: Uninsurance in America,” Institute of Medicine, June 2003.” The examples are legion and vary greatly from state to state. Also, from socioeconomic class to socioeconomic class…which, of course, is what those with good jobs or good inheritances want. You asked a few questions rigsy like “What did they leave behind?”. For one, freedom. Clearly they (slaves) weren’t the ‘fittest’ according to some people, which was all the rage when it came to self righteous worship of being an Arian. As to immigrants, surely those you mention left behind nothing worse than what was imposed upon them. You also ask “The fact that we have an obesity and std problem should be laid on whose doorstep?” Well, the former can mainly be laid at the feet of big corporation marketing and the bottom line kind of morality it produces. What is added to food stuffs in the USA is the cause and it is no accident that what is added is addictive in many ways. Again, to blame elsewhere blames the victim. As to the latter, I’d say mostly puritanical thinking and those who spread it…fundamentalists included today. Not allowing sex education and keeping the population ignorant is a direct result of such blind belief systems. And, the result of ignorance is std’s. “What role is expected of parents in providing a healthy diet and lifestyle?” For those who are educated, not ignorant, and who have the means to provide a healthy diet “and lifestyle”, much. Sadly, for many reasons, most parents are ignorant in such areas and most do not have the means to provide good diets and ‘lifestyles’. You, luckily appear to be an exception. “What are the implications of toxins in the enviornment and food supply and isn't that a trade society makes?” Uhhh, a ‘trade society makes?’???!!! No, it isn’t…at least not if one assumes any actual choice in such a tradeoff. We’ve discussed such things a lot here. I’m a member of society. I have *never* voted to have toxins in the environment nor have I ever requested toxins in the food supply. In fact, for decades, I’ve been fighting against such things. So, I had no trade to make. And, no, I didn’t “vote” with my pocketbook either. “War has the last laugh on bodies not to mention fields and water supplies poisoned with spent uranium to haunt the survivors. Or Agent Orange.” Such a strange comment. We in the USA haven’t had to deal with such a thing for a long time, at least not the citizens. And, today, what with an all ‘volunteer’ military (socioeconomic class warfare aside), those who go ‘over there’ have “decided” to take such risks. Now, when it comes to the countries the US has invaded, those people do have to worry about such things. Oh, I was being glib about members of the US military deciding to be poisoned by enlisting. Again, a false choice… sadly. On Mar 23, 3:52 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > It was survival of the fittest whether talking about the transport of > African slaves or the immigrants working the iron and coal mines or > the homesteaders living in sod houses. What had they left behind?//You > might want to look into the influence that speciality medicine has had > upon healthcare for all income classes. Generally, ER accepts all > comers.// The fact that we have an obesity and std problem should be > laid on whose doorstep? What role is expected of parents in providing > a healthy diet and lifestyle? What are the implications of toxins in > the enviornment and food supply and isn't that a trade society > makes?// War has the last laugh on bodies not to mention fields and > water supplies poisoned with spent uranium to haunt the survivors. Or > Agent Orange. > > On Mar 23, 1:43 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When it comes to ‘assets’, perhaps for some, life itself could be seen > > as being same. However, for the poor, health and will being just may > > not be possible in a system as draconian as the …what should we call > > it?...it isn’t a ‘health care’ system today…an insurance-hospital for > > profit system perhaps?...is today. Of course, the term ‘insurance’ has > > become conflated with ‘healthcare’. They *are* quite different things. > > Countless other models today can confirm this. > > > And, IF one is to be treated in all ways based on how much money one > > has, that about matches reality today, no? My guess Don, is that you > > receive, proportionately, *much* better health care than you should… > > compared say to Bill Gates. Perhaps we should change the law and give > > you worse care? > > > Sadly, the youth of today have no idea how healthcare was dispensed > > say, in the 40s and 50s. As the US was reaching its zenith in many > > ways, people didn’t have to worry about healthcare. There was an > > understanding, as there is in almost every civilized western > > industrialized country, that health care *is* a right…similar to food > > and shelter. It isn’t even debated! > > > Somehow, avarice became the watchword for the US rather than notions > > like freedom, egalitarianism, democracy, compassion, love etc. There > > is a reason that greed is seen as a poison/sin in almost every > > theology on the planet…it poisons the human psyche…along with > > everything that particular psyche touches. > > > On Mar 22, 10:22 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I see insurance as what it is and should be. Something to protect > > > your assets should something catastrophic befall you. Such as disease > > > or illness or fire or flood. If you have no assets(say, if you're > > > dirt poor) ya don't need no stinkin' insurance. That's the way I've > > > always seen it. I really don't get how people see something as a > > > right that is really nothing of the sort. That doesn't mean that we > > > should ignore the poor that are sick but it DOES mean they certainly > > > don't deserve the same level of care as those of us who can afford > > > better care. > > > > I was in court today to take care of some business. I was there for 2 > > > and a half hours. I saved roughly 250 dollars by seeing the judge > > > and not just paying my tickets. You sit in pews until the row ahead > > > of you is empty and then your row moves up one row. Cell phones > > > turned off and nobody talking to each other. I sat there bored stiff > > > thinking "yeah, in a few years, this is what it will be like at the > > > doctors office." I was aching to pop off and say it out loud but was > > > scared the judge would hear me. All these big city judges are > > > bleeding heart liberals. Last thing I wanted to do was piss off the > > > judge. > > > > Got me to thinking seeing all these guys and dolls sitting there bored > > > out of their minds. They should open up kiosks with hot dogs and > > > jewelry and maybe a bar with mixed drinks and sodas while you wait. > > > Maybe a bank of those cool poker slot machines. We'd all be a little > > > less bored the the city could make a little more profit. Ooops. > > > There's the P word. > > > > dj > > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:17 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Don You are a Cop and a proud job.. but when they over look the > > > > corruption > > > > and miss information to prevent a bill from passing it is a sad day.. > > > > My > > > > question to you is this.. when policies of insurance companies make in > > > > the > > > > name of freedom and profit are the board of directors and the top > > > > corporate > > > > executives held accountable for the murders they they with their > > > > policies > > > > committed? > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Greetings comrades! Another great leap towards loss of personal and > > > >> financial freedom. We're going so Euro pretty soon I'm going to stop > > > >> taking a shower every day and give up on deodorant. Maybe try some > > > >> warm beer as well just for solidarity. > > > > >> Seriously, I'm a bit sad today. One bright spot was seeing my brother > > > >> at the protest at the WH. He's there for a class but is free this > > > >> weekend to play tourist. He called me and parked himself by the fox > > > >> news camera and I finally spotted him. Looking bored. His answer to > > > >> what he thinks of the HC bill is, "I don't know, I haven't read it." > > > >> Yeah, he voted for Obama. I tried to get him to start a chant, "Free- > > > >> Dom! Free-Dom!" but he wouldn't do it. Wussy. > > > > >> They have more votes then they need now. Slaughter House Rules. > > > >> Books will be written about this travesty of process and the fraud > > > >> being perpetrated by our Congressmen. > > > > >> Deficit neutral my left nad. 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