I think you sound like a wonderful husband!// Some men should stick to
prostitutes and call girls instead of ruining marriages- maybe
clerics, as well, could use these women or eat a lot of salt-peter
cookies.// I have heard and seen too much to think the state of
marriage is "pure". Marriage is not a solution- it's just a different
situation.

On Apr 7, 5:25 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi rigsy03!
> Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post.
> Your reply has cleared some of my question, but has brought up others;
> I see what you mean that people can live without having sex- believe
> it or not I am one of them! And I am one that destiny has forced to
> live in celibacy in my old age even though I am married and look after
> my sick wife, how worse can it get? Do you see what I mean?
> Anyhow, to reach the stage where I am and accept to live the way I am
> living now has been a great struggle for me, and there were times when
> I thought I was going crazy, only to find later on that this was due
> to the excessive hormone in my system, because, when I removed that
> problem in my own way, things came back to normal quickly.
> Now, if this is true for every living man, the Roman Catholic Church
> has made a mistake, which would be better if they fix it; perhaps by
> letting priests get married or have sex outside the church in a
> discrete way.
> Why they want to make believe that they live in a pure life when it is
> near impossible to live it, I do not know?
> I hope that you see what I mean now?
> My regards Manfraco.
>
> On Apr 7, 9:27 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > One can live without sex- believe it or not! It is called celibacy-
> > and Dr. Drew who runs a sex rehab thought it a form of anorexia (!) in
> > a NYTimes article a few weeks ago which prompted some pretty funny
> > comments, i.e. if we are not currently in a sexual relationship we
> > need (his) rehab! As I have had a full life and am now a grandmother a
> > new partner is less exciting than my snow/lawn guy showing up- lol.
> > And maybe motherhood has helped soothe the lusty month of May as
> > looking out for my children was a major concern. I also diverted a lot
> > of that energy into creative pursuits. Of course there are trade-offs
> > but what's left out there at my age? :-) Anyway, I just finished a
> > block of reading on the Middle Ages and the clergy were involved one
> > way or another with women- troubles started when they left church
> > property to the "wives" and off-spring. Would a married cleric be a
> > better advisor? Perhaps and he would be cheaper than a shrink.//Beside
> > the current crisis, there is a worldwide child sex trade going on- the
> > figures are tallied by the UN, I believe- not to mention the danger to
> > children subjected to rape and incest in their own families. I also
> > wonder if the Catholic Church is being singled out for their stand on
> > homosexuality, birth control and abortion? And what about the
> > sexualization of very young girls portrayed by the media and
> > advertising?
>
> > On Apr 6, 5:56 pm, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I agree with you that decent behaviour is most important to fix any
> > > sort of moral problems; and that those religious guys there do not let
> > > us see what is going on.
> > > Anyhow, I did not say that paedophilia could be solved for everybody;
> > > it was just meant for the priests only, as I believe that for a normal
> > > man sexual activities are part of the life cycle and cannot be
> > > changed.
> > > So I have reason to believe that any normal man who wants to become a
> > > priest, and believes that just because he is very religious he could
> > > keep in check sexual activities is a fool, as he is not God. You see,
> > > Mather Nature is stronger than his will soon or later he will fall.
> > > Why these clever guys have put themself in this unrealistic position I
> > > do not understand, but it is time for them to really say what is going
> > > on and fix their sexual problems.
> > > I really would like to know from specialist sex doctors, whether a
> > > normal man can really live his life with no sexual activities at all.
> > > Now if their answer is negative, then the Roman Catholic Church people
> > > need to really fix their sexual problem fast and let the priests get
> > > married. By doing that religion as it is today might have a better
> > > chance to survive.
>
> > > On Apr 5, 10:12 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I saw a very frightening programme tonight about Xtians feeling
> > > > persecuted again.  No one in the programme noticed it was all about
> > > > piffling stuff.  Our neighbours gave us some brioche, an Easter
> > > > tradition where they came from.  Very nice it was too.  No doubt we
> > > > should inform the Human Rights Police and have them arrested fro this
> > > > Xtian gesture?  How dare they treat us in such a manner!  This and
> > > > their Xmas card should bring the death penalty.  Can't they leave us
> > > > alone in our tolerant peace!
> > > > Marriage, sadly Manfranco does not solve paedophilia - most abuse is
> > > > still within families.  The fix might come from recognising religion
> > > > is much less important than decent behaviour.
>
> > > > On 4 Apr, 23:29, Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi archytas and others!
> > > > > (Are we now in our own 'Great Leap Forward'?)
> > > > > We may very well be leaping forward, not because we want to leap
> > > > > forward, but because if we do not leap we will be pushed to jump
> > > > > anyhow; So, I hope that our leaders wake up and see where they are
> > > > > leading us, the modern world needs some rules adjustment and these
> > > > > adjustment will come soon or later, therefore, it would be better for
> > > > > our leaders to start looking for what needs to be done.
> > > > > Talking about religious matters it is obvious that they do not work
> > > > > the way they used to work in the past. Of course in the past religious
> > > > > scandals were known only where they happened, so people still could
> > > > > have faith in the rest of their religious leaders. But nowadays
> > > > > scandalous news or any news travel very fast, so, the entire world
> > > > > knows what happens in no time at all.
> > > > > So, I am waiting to see the day, when the pope with the rest of the
> > > > > Roman Catholic Church leaders wake up and find the courage to call a
> > > > > meeting, so that, they may discuss what needs to be done to fix these
> > > > > problems.
> > > > > My personal views are that the priests should be allowed to marry and
> > > > > whoever commits any sexual sins should be removed from priesthood,
> > > > > this might help solve the existing paedophilia problem.
> > > > > May God help them to see the light!
> > > > > My regards Manfraco
>
> > > > > On Mar 26, 8:55 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Have we become almost completely degenerate in terms of hiding 
> > > > > > routine
> > > > > > wrongdoing by people in authority?  In the UK our Parliament has
> > > > > > clearly become full of the  wrong kind of people who rip off 
> > > > > > expenses
> > > > > > and nothing is really being done.  A few minor sacrificial lambs 
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > been put up.  The Roman Catholic Church has clearly almost 
> > > > > > encouraged
> > > > > > child abuse and this now reaches the Pope, at least in his former
> > > > > > enforcement role.  It's almost unfair just to pick on these
> > > > > > organisations.  Our legal system hardly works.  Whistleblowers are
> > > > > > routinely dumped on, despite legislation supposed to support them.
> > > > > > Various miscarriages of justice that leave innocent people 
> > > > > > unprotected
> > > > > > and often dead look like the tip of an iceberg, not just a few
> > > > > > inevitable cock-ups (no pun, but it fits rather well - they just go
> > > > > > on!).  Education is broadly failing many.  As all this happens,
> > > > > > authorities can produce statistics that 'show' targets are being met
> > > > > > and the rest.
>
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