On 23 Apr, 11:07, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Pat you asked what the speed of light has to do with it. actually quite a > bit.. with a directional speed of the speed of light ,, there is little to > no light traveling in other directions beyond the event horizon. With all > light locked into rotation.. there is none avaliable to escape. > Allan >
Yet Quasars seem to be super massive black holes that emit matter/ energy. So our empirical observation shows that there must be some exception to the rule you describe. What I attempted to do was to offer an explanation FOR that exceptional experience. Namely, that, deep within such a black hole, there is an area/volume that cannot contain any more matter/energy, therefore, it MUST emit any matter coming towards that area, as there is no other 'place' for it to go. > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 21 Apr, 16:16, Drafterman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Apr 16, 11:44 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I was thinking about quasars this week and what they might be and > > > > stumbled across something interesting that I thought I might share > > > > with you. Firstly, my thought was that a quasar might just be a black > > > > hole with a white hole at the centre. Probably NOT a new thought, but > > > > it led me to work out what a white hole MIGHT be. I thought that, > > > > perhaps, a white hole is an area of space that is completely filled. > > > > But how could that happen? Well, if the pressures inside the black > > > > hole are strong enough to compress the energy inside to the smallest > > > > wavelength possible, that of the Planck length, then THAT would > > > > completely fill that area of space-time with tiny, but incredibly > > > > powerful photons. > > > > SO, here’s some of the maths: Start with the speed of light: > > > > 299,792,458 metres per second. Now, divide that number by the Planck > > > > length of 1.616252^-35. That comes out to a frequency of 1.8548621^ > > > > +49 Hz. () Now, assuming that area is a bog-standard “black body”, > > > > it would produce a temperature of 5.3749609522385^+39 degrees Kelvin. > > > > And THAT, my friends, is, technically, the hottest temperature > > > > allowable in this universe and, thus, the opposite end of the Kelvin > > > > scale. Well, at least the highest temperature one could expect to > > > > find in THIS universe. > > > > So, if a white hole, as described above, were to exist inside a > > > > super-massive black hole, when any matter from the black hole’s > > > > accretion disc fell into the black hole, it would approach the white > > > > hole and get thrown out at right angles (i.e., the matter would spew > > > > from the poles, as black holes are spinning) and THAT seems to fit the > > > > observations we see of what quasars do. Any thoughts, anyone? > > > > There is a relationship between quasars and black holes and there > > > *may* be a relationship between black holes and white holes (if the > > > latter even exists). > > > > As matter falls into a black hole, it heats up and emits radiation. In > > > the case of super-massive blackholes, as is sometimes found in the > > > centers of galaxies, this reaction produces a lot of energy which we > > > then interpret as quasars. > > > > Like black holes, white holes are a theoretical consequence of general > > > relativity but, unlike black holes, have yet to be empirically > > > observed. > > > Yup. Just like Hawking Radiation. Shows why he never got a Nobel > > Prize. Although, I'm all for giving him a Nobel Prize for Sci-Fi > > Literature. His theories are great on paper, just so long as you > > completely disregard reality as we know it. At least I try to keep > > within the framework. Whereas he demands us to accept that the laws > > of physics can break down and sho no evidence of that (example, his > > theoretical wavelengths that are shorter than the Planck Length). I > > don't care much for singularities, either. Which is why my definition > > of a 'white hole' is just an area/volume of space-time that is > > completely filled (and in complete accordance with the laws of physics > > as we know them), rather than some black hole turned inside-out. > > Perhaps white holes haven't been empirically observed because they, as > > I purport, only can exist insode of super-massive black holes and the > > surrounding blackness prohibits us from observing the whiteness...if > > you see what I mean? > > > >While there are many hypotheses floating around that > > > establish relationships between black holes and white holes (such as a > > > black hole creating a "Big Bang" which creates another universe which > > > would, from its point of view, interpret that as a white hole) I > > > haven't seen anything that establishes a direct relationship betwen > > > white holes and quasars. From what I've seen the consensus is that the > > > energy of a quasar comes from *outside* the black hole. > > > The truth, I'm afraid, might elude us for some time, as it's bloody > > dangerous to get too close to one; plus, they're all fairly far away > > and would take scores of generations to reach one, and we just don't > > have the technology for that. So we'll have to settle for seeing what > > we can see from our relatively safe distance. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
