The Absolute Truth or Reality or God is the source which is the cause of awareness or feeling of pleasure and pain. Nature is the creative force which brings beings and the universe into existence.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:30 AM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote: > OK let me get this straight; Absolute Truth=Ultimate Factor and the > relationship between The Almighty and the dictionary is tough to > translate from Hindi to English so; What I am getting from this is a > rather vague description of the character of nature. My Hindi needs a > bit of brushing up, would you care to translate? > > > On May 18, 9:40 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > FF, you have challenged Darwin's theory of evolution. May you enlighten > me > > with YOUR theory? How did man come to be? Was this universe put in place, > > as it is , or has it evolved over billions of years? > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On May 16, 7:26 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The ball of elaboration is in your court, this is your thread. You > > > > are making broad statements without saying much. > > > > > > You see agnostics as having a "problem" because you have anchored > > > > yourself within your personal set of beliefs that you consider > > > > truths. > > > > > I have already mentioned that there is nothing personal about TRUTH & > > > that is what the term "Absolute Truth" means. It is absolute in every > > > respect. It neither depends upon my personal beliefs nor upon the > > > collective opinion of masses. For example, a herd of zombies can go on > > > shouting that Evolution Theory is a scientific theory. But only your > > > strong urge to unearth the Truth will tell you that there is no > > > evidence whatsoever to prove the absurd claims made in that silly > > > theory. This also means that you can't project something unreasonable > > > as Absolute Truth. Anything that is not in line with logic, reason or > > > common sense will NOT be recognized as Absolute Truth. Having a strong > > > scientific temper is minimum requirement to understand Absolute Truth. > > > So, agnostic should NOT be under the impression that they are the > > > whole & sole defenders of scientific temper. What you know in the > > > field of tangible science is already known to today's gnostics. In > > > addition, gnostics know something which appears to be of abstract > > > nature to many agnostics. > > > > > > While issues can be linked to each other they can also be explored > > > > individually. > > > > > > I don't see the thread going anywhere other than reaching levels of > > > > redundancy without resolution. > > > > > When agnostics reject the existence of "Absolute Truth", they do > > > so without knowing anything about that term. How can you reject > > > something about which you know nothing ? It is this "Absolute Truth" > > > which can throw light upon the seemingly inexplicable force behind > > > uncertainties around us. But your urge to deny the existence of God > > > simply prompts you to reject the very existence of any such > > > inexplicable force. Your approach Is very much in line with the > > > mindset of determinists. In that case you cannot reject Hegel's > > > statement that History develops as per the logical plan. So, should I > > > assume that you accept Hegel's views regarding development of > > > history ? > > > > > > I'm with Albert Einstein below. > > > > > > Borrowed FROM: > > > > Molly Brogan Thread May 26, 2008 > > > > > > According to Plato: When the mind's eye rests on objects illuminated > > > > by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and > > > > functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight world of > > > > change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is confused > > > > and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. (Plato, > > > > Republic) > > > > > It is obvious that any philosophy must be capable of explaining > > > ALL the events that take place in the system in which we exist. > > > > > > To Spinoza, ultimate truth is the ultimate reality of a rationally > > > > ordered system that is God. > > > > > > To Hegel, truth is a rationally integrated > > > > system in which everything is contained. > > > > > > To Einstein, “the truth of > > > > the Universe is human truth.” > > > > > > Read More @ > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/browse_thread/thread/8531f4e... > > > > > > On May 16, 6:37 am, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 16, 11:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> Thank > You! > > > > > > > > I understand it all very well and did not discredit anything. > > > > > > > > I simply recognized a multi-faceted post which needs > clarification on > > > > > > some specifics. > > > > > > > Only a multi-faceted post can clearly highlight the wholistic > > > > > approach.> Truth IS that Truth is highly subjective even in the > sense > > > of > > > > > > absolutism, somewhat like absolute "fact". > > > > > > > Calling Truth as subjective matter is part of empiricism. Our > > > > > perception about Reality can be quite different from Absolute > Truth. > > > > > That doesn't mean Absolute Truth does not exist.> The Wow really > > > belongs as a pertinence to your own opening thread > > > > > > which covers several issues. > > > > > > > All the isues covered in that post are linked to each other. You > > > > > cannot separate one from the other.> We've covered the truth issue > here > > > many times before so you might > > > > > > consider searching the Minds Eye archives. > > > > > > > The problem with agnostics is that they cannot see anything beyond > > > > > public opinion or collective opinion. Truth can be (& most of the > > > > > times it is) different from collective opinion. > > > > > > > > Have a good e-space night! > > > > > > > Now again the e-space illusion has come into picture. We are from > > > > > different time zones. What is night for you is a day for me in > > > > > India... > > > > > > > > On May 15, 8:53 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wow ! Discrediting anything that you do not understand is a > typical > > > > > > > agnostic position. Your comment, Slip Disc, is quite in line > with > > > that > > > > > > > position. > > > > > > > > > On May 16, 4:58 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> You > are > > > presenting layers upon layers upon layers of thread topic > > > > > > > > here; kinda like sporadic inputs generated by a frenetic > thought > > > > > > > > process. > > > > > > > > > > Break it down and address a single aspect of the rant so we > can > > > > > > > > respond specifically to a individual point. > > > > > > > > > > I would have to suggest that you start with your personal > > > > > > > > understanding of what "Truth" is. > > > > > > > > > There is nothing personal about "TRUTH". That's what the term > > > > > > > "Absolute Truth" means. It is ABSOLUTE in every respect....>You > > > obviously are already biased in the sense of what truth is and further > > > anchor your understanding in > > > > > > > > theistic principles which don't hold much water other than > that > > > of a > > > > > > > > fanaticism towards another fantasy belief system out of the > > > hundreds > > > > > > > > of deity fantasies out there. > > > > > > > > > What is the basis for your assumption that my understanding > about > > > > > > > TRUTH is anchored in theistic principles ? Are you sure that > you > > > are > > > > > > > not mixing-up theistic principles with the procedures of some > > > > > > > organised religions like western theistic religions (such as > > > > > > > Cristianity, Judaism or Islam) ? > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you try getting with reality? > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 12:06 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is with reference to Hollywood film "Adventures > of > > > Priscila, > > > > > > > > > Queen of Desert". > > > > > > > > > While explaining the system around us, Hegel used the > > > terms "Real > > > > > > > > > Reality" & "Apparent Reality". By analyzing Hegel's opinion > > > that > > > > > > > > > history develops as per the logical plan, we can say, > "Hegel > > > had > > > > > > > > > mistaken apparent reality for real reality". What he called > as > > > real > > > > > > > > > reality was actually the determinists' zone. Though he > claimed > > > to have > > > > > > > > > traversed the entire field, it is quite clear that Hegel > could > > > not see > > > > > > > > > the endpoint of the desert shown in the abovementioned > > > Hollywood > > > > > > > > > film. > > > > > > > > > "The new world order" system (a combination of Snob > > > society & > > > > > > > > > Republic society) which is in place for the last 44 years, > is > > > > > > > > > precisely the same nonscientific racist nonsense which was > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > by Europe during Age of Reason. (Here, the term racism > means a > > > nexus > > > > > > > > > between forward racism upper cocks & reverse racism > > > uppercocks.) > > > > > > > > > Racists' urge to project themselves as limit of manliness, > > > prompts > > > > > > > > > them to label Queens of desert as eunuchs. Just look at the > > > list of > > > > > > > > > eunuchs prepared by these racist morons & you will be proud > to > > > be > > > > > > > > > Queen of desrt -- Mozes, Hegel, Hitler, Alexander, Hanuman > (a > > > monkey > > > > > > > > > headed God from Hindu mythology)... almost anyone who > doesn't > > > want to > > > > > > > > > deviate from TRUTH gets labeld as eunuch by these mediocre > > > racists. > > > > > > > > > Apart from cowardice & inefficiency, there is nothing in > the > > > genes of > > > > > > > > > these racists. These are the stupid talkative extroverts > who > > > were > > > > > > > > > running hither & thither when Hitler's battletanks were > chasing > > > them. > > > > > > > > > These are the great soldiers who ditched Alexander for > gaining > > > favours > > > > > > > > > from Dariyas. > > > > > > > > > > > Fromhttp://samirsp.blogspot.com-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >
