On 16 May, 15:26, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The ball of elaboration is in your court, this is your thread. You > are making broad statements without saying much. > > You see agnostics as having a "problem" because you have anchored > yourself within your personal set of beliefs that you consider > truths. > > While issues can be linked to each other they can also be explored > individually. > > I don't see the thread going anywhere other than reaching levels of > redundancy without resolution. > > I'm with Albert Einstein below. > > Borrowed FROM: > Molly Brogan Thread May 26, 2008 > > According to Plato: When the mind's eye rests on objects illuminated > by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and > functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight world of > change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is confused > and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. (Plato, > Republic) > > To Spinoza, ultimate truth is the ultimate reality of a rationally > ordered system that is God. > > To Hegel, truth is a rationally integrated > system in which everything is contained. > > To Einstein, “the truth of > the Universe is human truth.” >
While I usually support Einstein, here we differ a tad. Einstein went in search of truth and discovered 'relativity'. This discovery flavoured his view of truth, as he discovered the importance of the 'reference point' from within the system. But what if one's reference point is outside the system? The Qur'an states (22:6) 'God is the Reality/Absolute Truth.' The Arabic is "Allah Al-Haqq". It's a statement that is perfectly congruent with the physics I propose and, within it, still allows for the 'Special Relativity' that we experience. The viewpoint is whether or not one is outside or inside the box. Einstein was IN the box whereas Allah IS the box. > Read More @ > > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/browse_thread/thread/8531f4e... > > On May 16, 6:37 am, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On May 16, 11:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> Thank You! > > > > I understand it all very well and did not discredit anything. > > > > I simply recognized a multi-faceted post which needs clarification on > > > some specifics. > > > Only a multi-faceted post can clearly highlight the wholistic > > approach.> Truth IS that Truth is highly subjective even in the sense of > > > absolutism, somewhat like absolute "fact". > > > Calling Truth as subjective matter is part of empiricism. Our > > perception about Reality can be quite different from Absolute Truth. > > That doesn't mean Absolute Truth does not exist.> The Wow really belongs as > > a pertinence to your own opening thread > > > which covers several issues. > > > All the isues covered in that post are linked to each other. You > > cannot separate one from the other.> We've covered the truth issue here > > many times before so you might > > > consider searching the Minds Eye archives. > > > The problem with agnostics is that they cannot see anything beyond > > public opinion or collective opinion. Truth can be (& most of the > > times it is) different from collective opinion. > > > > Have a good e-space night! > > > Now again the e-space illusion has come into picture. We are from > > different time zones. What is night for you is a day for me in > > India... > > > > On May 15, 8:53 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Wow ! Discrediting anything that you do not understand is a typical > > > > agnostic position. Your comment, Slip Disc, is quite in line with that > > > > position. > > > > > On May 16, 4:58 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:> You are > > > > presenting layers upon layers upon layers of thread topic > > > > > here; kinda like sporadic inputs generated by a frenetic thought > > > > > process. > > > > > > Break it down and address a single aspect of the rant so we can > > > > > respond specifically to a individual point. > > > > > > I would have to suggest that you start with your personal > > > > > understanding of what "Truth" is. > > > > > There is nothing personal about "TRUTH". That's what the term > > > > "Absolute Truth" means. It is ABSOLUTE in every respect....>You > > > > obviously are already biased in the sense of what truth is and further > > > > anchor your understanding in > > > > > theistic principles which don't hold much water other than that of a > > > > > fanaticism towards another fantasy belief system out of the hundreds > > > > > of deity fantasies out there. > > > > > What is the basis for your assumption that my understanding about > > > > TRUTH is anchored in theistic principles ? Are you sure that you are > > > > not mixing-up theistic principles with the procedures of some > > > > organised religions like western theistic religions (such as > > > > Cristianity, Judaism or Islam) ? > > > > > > Why don't you try getting with reality? > > > > > > On May 15, 12:06 pm, Fiercely Free <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This is with reference to Hollywood film "Adventures of > > > > > > Priscila, > > > > > > Queen of Desert". > > > > > > While explaining the system around us, Hegel used the terms > > > > > > "Real > > > > > > Reality" & "Apparent Reality". By analyzing Hegel's opinion that > > > > > > history develops as per the logical plan, we can say, "Hegel had > > > > > > mistaken apparent reality for real reality". What he called as real > > > > > > reality was actually the determinists' zone. Though he claimed to > > > > > > have > > > > > > traversed the entire field, it is quite clear that Hegel could not > > > > > > see > > > > > > the endpoint of the desert shown in the abovementioned Hollywood > > > > > > film. > > > > > > "The new world order" system (a combination of Snob society & > > > > > > Republic society) which is in place for the last 44 years, is > > > > > > precisely the same nonscientific racist nonsense which was > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > by Europe during Age of Reason. (Here, the term racism means a nexus > > > > > > between forward racism upper cocks & reverse racism uppercocks.) > > > > > > Racists' urge to project themselves as limit of manliness, prompts > > > > > > them to label Queens of desert as eunuchs. Just look at the list of > > > > > > eunuchs prepared by these racist morons & you will be proud to be > > > > > > Queen of desrt -- Mozes, Hegel, Hitler, Alexander, Hanuman (a monkey > > > > > > headed God from Hindu mythology)... almost anyone who doesn't want > > > > > > to > > > > > > deviate from TRUTH gets labeld as eunuch by these mediocre racists. > > > > > > Apart from cowardice & inefficiency, there is nothing in the genes > > > > > > of > > > > > > these racists. These are the stupid talkative extroverts who were > > > > > > running hither & thither when Hitler's battletanks were chasing > > > > > > them. > > > > > > These are the great soldiers who ditched Alexander for gaining > > > > > > favours > > > > > > from Dariyas. > > > > > > > Fromhttp://samirsp.blogspot.com-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
