Where can I find out more information on this? All I can find is the French imposed one in the 18th century....or stuff much much older.
On May 31, 11:07 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I would not have known either except when I move to the Netherlands I was > required to take several courses one of which involved what our rights and > responsibilities are. This was required to receive my permit to say and work > here, the Green card is the US equivalent.. > They give the course in several languages including english and in the > process of covering the bill of rights I heard echo of the american bill of > rights almost verbatim,, the problem was it was written 100 years earlier. > that really does not surprise considering the dutch trade influence,, but it > is not something that was taught in school and it is not even mentioned in > wiki.. > > The course suddenly became even more fascinating. Incidentally what I had > to study was the original documents including changes and why. The course > left me very proud to be a resident along with a very safe feeling.. > Allan > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:28 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > “Sorry the American Bill of rights is not original.. > > Allan “ > > > 1. I didn’t bring up the Bill of Rights. > > 2. I know it is not ‘original’. > > 3. Those in the US who have studied history know that most such > > documents are based upon previous iterations. Sometimes parts are > > lifted and often improved. In the specific case, I haven’t heard of > > the connection you mention; however, numerous other documents were > > addressed before our Bill was enacted. See: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights > > > On May 30, 11:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Orn.. the Bill of rights you know originated 100 years earlier in the > > > Netherlands (Holland) Boy was I ever surprised.. > > > > Sorry the American Bill of rights is not original.. > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:52 AM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Rather than such tame stuff as a Bill of Rights Neil, I refer back to > > > > the Declaration of Independence. The 3 manor documents in early US > > > > history are all quite different in nature and tenor. > > > > > On May 29, 10:06 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is (barely) possible to think the world began in 4004 BC complete > > > > > with fossil record and memories, or regard the cosmos as a jest, > > > > > ourselves little more than a puppet show for a bored god grown idle. > > > > > Goethe once said anyone who could not call upon 3000 years was a > > > > > waster, Rembrandt that an upright soul respects honour before wealth, > > > > > Aristotle that tragedy is an imitation of action and Sir William > > > > > Batten (Surveyor of the Navy) that the Devil shits Dutchmen. I am > > not > > > > > struck by much other than we seem here (possibly) for something and I > > > > > want it that way and to know or have played some part in the creation > > > > > of what does. I suspect much of history is merely a metaphorical > > > > > prick to the present, as life was seeming certainly pricked to > > > > > organisation. Maybe science is reaching that point at which its > > > > > exposure of the miserable fables of religion is more than debunking > > > > > experienced as pain or in defamed face by its authorities? I rather > > > > > hope so, but this is a world in which even the Americans have not > > > > > noticed that their constitution is merely on political rights that > > end > > > > > with us bowling alone in chronic lack of socio-economic freedom. > > What > > > > > spark for a second Bill of Rights Bill? > > > > > > On 27 May, 22:39, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > To those who have responded…thanks for the feedback! Often, > > especially > > > > > > when there is no reply at all, I wonder if I’m merely sending > > verbiage > > > > > > off into a black hole!! ;-) > > > > > > > Anyway, even though countless similar articles are printed all the > > > > > > time, this one seemed to point toward something a little more > > > > > > ‘special’ in the sense of possibly having a little more substance > > than > > > > > > the others. > > > > > > > And, as Neil said, I continue to look into other realms too… > > > > > > > On May 27, 7:49 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The fact that we are here is enough to warrant a look into the > > matter > > > > > > > though. I agree it is easier to brush the matter aside and just > > live > > > > > > > life to the fullest! I find much pleasure in looking into these > > > > > > > mysteries though and can appreciate different views on the > > matter. As > > > > > > > for the scientific evidence, well it offers an explaination as to > > > > > > > forms but not all the contents. Good article! Thanks orn. > > > > > > > > On May 27, 9:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We know so little of our own conception so I suppose it's > > easier to > > > > > > > > brush that matter aside. > > > > > > > > > On May 27, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Something of an old chestnut this one, despite NS's focus on > > it > > > > last > > > > > > > > > week. I note that meteorites are now the Earth's preferred > > > > postal > > > > > > > > > service. How long before our wonderful entrepreneurs offer > > up > > > > 'ATP > > > > > > > > > Supplements - to freshen up your tired life-batteries'? Or > > maybe > > > > the > > > > > > > > > cigarette manufacturers will be able to recommend we take it > > up > > > > again, > > > > > > > > > as long as we use matches to light up (for the 'healthy' > > > > phosphorous > > > > > > > > > content)? > > > > > > > > > > I agree on the possible clues on what "we" are Bill (or > > 'where > > > > > > > > > from'). Intelligent design claims have long been in the > > hands of > > > > > > > > > idiots since Darwin and far too easily connected with > > specific > > > > gods. > > > > > > > > > I have never been able to get past wondering why > > > > super-omnipotence > > > > > > > > > can't see its way to let us know what we are, what we should > > do > > > > and > > > > > > > > > such. If science is more or less right, then "we" at least > > come > > > > long > > > > > > > > > after "something else", and we could do with more practice in > > hen > > > > and > > > > > > > > > egg questions. Even as a chemist I could only wonder at what > > > > pre- > > > > > > > > > caused or organised what went on in my experiments that was > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > beyond any influence I could have. Sometimes even the type > > of > > > > glass > > > > > > > > > was a key, but I mean something beyond even surface effects > > or > > > > > > > > > catalysis. I would actually like a version or two of modern > > > > scripture > > > > > > > > > not requiring me to believe in blue and white striped > > rabbits. > > > > You > > > > > > > > > have introduced me to some. My thanks are duly given. > > > > > > > > > > On 26 May, 17:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > One more probable step in piecing together what ‘we’ are > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > scientific community. > > > > > > > > > > > orn. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nature's Batteries' May Have Helped Power Early Lifeforms > > > > > > > > > > > ScienceDaily (May 25, 2010) — Researchers at the University > > of > > > > Leeds > > > > > > > > > > have uncovered new clues to the origins of life on Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > The team found that a compound known as pyrophosphite may > > have > > > > been an > > > > > > > > > > important energy source for primitive lifeforms. > > > > > > > > > > > There are several conflicting theories of how life on Earth > > > > emerged > > > > > > > > > > from inanimate matter billions of years ago -- a process > > known > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > abiogenesis. > > > > > > > > > > > "It's a chicken and egg question," said Dr Terry Kee of the > > > > University > > > > > > > > > > of Leeds, who led the research. "Scientists are in > > disagreement > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > what came first -- replication, or metabolism. But there is > > a > > > > third > > > > > > > > > > part to the equation -- and that is energy." > > > > > > > > > > > All living things require a continual supply of energy in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > function. This energy is carried around our bodies within > > > > certain > > > > > > > > > > molecules, one of the best known being ATP (adenosine > > > > triphosphate), > > > > > > > > > > which converts heat from the sun into a useable form for > > > > animals and > > > > > > > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > At any one time, the human body contains just 250g of ATP > > -- > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > provides roughly the same amount of energy as a single AA > > > > battery. > > > > > > > > > > This ATP store is being constantly used and regenerated in > > > > cells via a > > > > > > > > > > process known as respiration, which is driven by natural > > > > catalysts > > > > > > > > > > called enzymes. > > > > > > > > > > > "You need enzymes to make ATP and you need ATP to make > > > > enzymes," > > > > > > > > > > explained Dr Kee. "The question is: where did energy come > > from > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > either of these two things existed? We think that the > > answer > > > > may lie > > > > > > > > > > in simple molecules such as pyrophosphite which is > > chemically > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > similar to ATP, but has the potential to transfer energy > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > enzymes." > > > > > > > > > > > The key to the battery-like properties of both ATP and > > > > pyrophosphite > > > > > > > > > > is an element called phosphorus, which is essential for all > > > > living > > > > > > > > > > things. Not only is phosphorus the active component of ATP, > > it > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > forms the backbone of DNA and is important in the structure > > of > > > > cell > > > > > > > > > > walls. > > > > > > > > > > > But despite its importance to life, it is not fully > > understood > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > phosphorus first appeared in our atmosphere. One theory is > > that > > > > it was > > > > > > > > > > contained within > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
