I would not have known either except when I move to the Netherlands I was required to take several courses one of which involved what our rights and responsibilities are. This was required to receive my permit to say and work here, the Green card is the US equivalent.. They give the course in several languages including english and in the process of covering the bill of rights I heard echo of the american bill of rights almost verbatim,, the problem was it was written 100 years earlier. that really does not surprise considering the dutch trade influence,, but it is not something that was taught in school and it is not even mentioned in wiki..
The course suddenly became even more fascinating. Incidentally what I had to study was the original documents including changes and why. The course left me very proud to be a resident along with a very safe feeling.. Allan On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:28 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > “Sorry the American Bill of rights is not original.. > Allan “ > > 1. I didn’t bring up the Bill of Rights. > 2. I know it is not ‘original’. > 3. Those in the US who have studied history know that most such > documents are based upon previous iterations. Sometimes parts are > lifted and often improved. In the specific case, I haven’t heard of > the connection you mention; however, numerous other documents were > addressed before our Bill was enacted. See: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights > > > On May 30, 11:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Orn.. the Bill of rights you know originated 100 years earlier in the > > Netherlands (Holland) Boy was I ever surprised.. > > > > Sorry the American Bill of rights is not original.. > > Allan > > > > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:52 AM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than such tame stuff as a Bill of Rights Neil, I refer back to > > > the Declaration of Independence. The 3 manor documents in early US > > > history are all quite different in nature and tenor. > > > > > On May 29, 10:06 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It is (barely) possible to think the world began in 4004 BC complete > > > > with fossil record and memories, or regard the cosmos as a jest, > > > > ourselves little more than a puppet show for a bored god grown idle. > > > > Goethe once said anyone who could not call upon 3000 years was a > > > > waster, Rembrandt that an upright soul respects honour before wealth, > > > > Aristotle that tragedy is an imitation of action and Sir William > > > > Batten (Surveyor of the Navy) that the Devil shits Dutchmen. I am > not > > > > struck by much other than we seem here (possibly) for something and I > > > > want it that way and to know or have played some part in the creation > > > > of what does. I suspect much of history is merely a metaphorical > > > > prick to the present, as life was seeming certainly pricked to > > > > organisation. Maybe science is reaching that point at which its > > > > exposure of the miserable fables of religion is more than debunking > > > > experienced as pain or in defamed face by its authorities? I rather > > > > hope so, but this is a world in which even the Americans have not > > > > noticed that their constitution is merely on political rights that > end > > > > with us bowling alone in chronic lack of socio-economic freedom. > What > > > > spark for a second Bill of Rights Bill? > > > > > > On 27 May, 22:39, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > To those who have responded…thanks for the feedback! Often, > especially > > > > > when there is no reply at all, I wonder if I’m merely sending > verbiage > > > > > off into a black hole!! ;-) > > > > > > > Anyway, even though countless similar articles are printed all the > > > > > time, this one seemed to point toward something a little more > > > > > ‘special’ in the sense of possibly having a little more substance > than > > > > > the others. > > > > > > > And, as Neil said, I continue to look into other realms too… > > > > > > > On May 27, 7:49 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > The fact that we are here is enough to warrant a look into the > matter > > > > > > though. I agree it is easier to brush the matter aside and just > live > > > > > > life to the fullest! I find much pleasure in looking into these > > > > > > mysteries though and can appreciate different views on the > matter. As > > > > > > for the scientific evidence, well it offers an explaination as to > > > > > > forms but not all the contents. Good article! Thanks orn. > > > > > > > > On May 27, 9:02 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We know so little of our own conception so I suppose it's > easier to > > > > > > > brush that matter aside. > > > > > > > > > On May 27, 7:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Something of an old chestnut this one, despite NS's focus on > it > > > last > > > > > > > > week. I note that meteorites are now the Earth's preferred > > > postal > > > > > > > > service. How long before our wonderful entrepreneurs offer > up > > > 'ATP > > > > > > > > Supplements - to freshen up your tired life-batteries'? Or > maybe > > > the > > > > > > > > cigarette manufacturers will be able to recommend we take it > up > > > again, > > > > > > > > as long as we use matches to light up (for the 'healthy' > > > phosphorous > > > > > > > > content)? > > > > > > > > > > I agree on the possible clues on what "we" are Bill (or > 'where > > > > > > > > from'). Intelligent design claims have long been in the > hands of > > > > > > > > idiots since Darwin and far too easily connected with > specific > > > gods. > > > > > > > > I have never been able to get past wondering why > > > super-omnipotence > > > > > > > > can't see its way to let us know what we are, what we should > do > > > and > > > > > > > > such. If science is more or less right, then "we" at least > come > > > long > > > > > > > > after "something else", and we could do with more practice in > hen > > > and > > > > > > > > egg questions. Even as a chemist I could only wonder at what > > > pre- > > > > > > > > caused or organised what went on in my experiments that was > > > clearly > > > > > > > > beyond any influence I could have. Sometimes even the type > of > > > glass > > > > > > > > was a key, but I mean something beyond even surface effects > or > > > > > > > > catalysis. I would actually like a version or two of modern > > > scripture > > > > > > > > not requiring me to believe in blue and white striped > rabbits. > > > You > > > > > > > > have introduced me to some. My thanks are duly given. > > > > > > > > > > On 26 May, 17:42, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > One more probable step in piecing together what ‘we’ are > from > > > the > > > > > > > > > scientific community. > > > > > > > > > > > orn. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Nature's Batteries' May Have Helped Power Early Lifeforms > > > > > > > > > > > ScienceDaily (May 25, 2010) — Researchers at the University > of > > > Leeds > > > > > > > > > have uncovered new clues to the origins of life on Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > The team found that a compound known as pyrophosphite may > have > > > been an > > > > > > > > > important energy source for primitive lifeforms. > > > > > > > > > > > There are several conflicting theories of how life on Earth > > > emerged > > > > > > > > > from inanimate matter billions of years ago -- a process > known > > > as > > > > > > > > > abiogenesis. > > > > > > > > > > > "It's a chicken and egg question," said Dr Terry Kee of the > > > University > > > > > > > > > of Leeds, who led the research. "Scientists are in > disagreement > > > over > > > > > > > > > what came first -- replication, or metabolism. But there is > a > > > third > > > > > > > > > part to the equation -- and that is energy." > > > > > > > > > > > All living things require a continual supply of energy in > order > > > to > > > > > > > > > function. This energy is carried around our bodies within > > > certain > > > > > > > > > molecules, one of the best known being ATP (adenosine > > > triphosphate), > > > > > > > > > which converts heat from the sun into a useable form for > > > animals and > > > > > > > > > plants. > > > > > > > > > > > At any one time, the human body contains just 250g of ATP > -- > > > this > > > > > > > > > provides roughly the same amount of energy as a single AA > > > battery. > > > > > > > > > This ATP store is being constantly used and regenerated in > > > cells via a > > > > > > > > > process known as respiration, which is driven by natural > > > catalysts > > > > > > > > > called enzymes. > > > > > > > > > > > "You need enzymes to make ATP and you need ATP to make > > > enzymes," > > > > > > > > > explained Dr Kee. "The question is: where did energy come > from > > > before > > > > > > > > > either of these two things existed? We think that the > answer > > > may lie > > > > > > > > > in simple molecules such as pyrophosphite which is > chemically > > > very > > > > > > > > > similar to ATP, but has the potential to transfer energy > > > without > > > > > > > > > enzymes." > > > > > > > > > > > The key to the battery-like properties of both ATP and > > > pyrophosphite > > > > > > > > > is an element called phosphorus, which is essential for all > > > living > > > > > > > > > things. Not only is phosphorus the active component of ATP, > it > > > also > > > > > > > > > forms the backbone of DNA and is important in the structure > of > > > cell > > > > > > > > > walls. > > > > > > > > > > > But despite its importance to life, it is not fully > understood > > > how > > > > > > > > > phosphorus first appeared in our atmosphere. One theory is > that > > > it was > > > > > > > > > contained within the many meteorites that collided with the > > > Earth > > > > > > > > > billions of years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > "Phosphorus is present within several meteoritic minerals > and > > > it is > > > > > > > > > possible that this reacted to form pyrophosphite under the > > > acidic, > > > > > > > > > volcanic conditions of early Earth," added Dr Kee. > > > > > > > > > > > The findings, published in the journal Chemical > Communications, > > > are > > > > > > > > > the first to suggest that pyrophosphite may have been > relevant > > > in the > > > > > > > > > shift from basic chemistry to complex biology when life on > > > earth > > > > > > > > > began. Since completing this research, Dr Kee and his team > have > > > found > > > > > > > > > even further evidence for the importance of this molecule > and > > > now hope > > > > > > > > > to team up with collaborators from NASA to investigate its > role > > > in > > > > > > > > > abiogenesis. > > > > > > > > > > > The study was funded by the STFC and the Engineering and > > > Physical > > > > > > > > > Sciences Research Council (EPSRC). > > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100525094906.htm-Hidequo. > .. > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > Be Paranoid. > > God is always building a better idiot!!! > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
