Just from curiosity, would anyone know if Murdo MacDonald-Bayne was a quack?
On 7/9/2010 4:13 PM, RP Singh wrote:
By self-realisation is meant the realisation of the higher self or
Enlightenment as the yogis call it.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:49 AM, DarkwaterBlight
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
When are we not realizing self?
On Jul 9, 2:13 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Most of the people who claim to have attained Self-realisation
are either
> madmen or frauds.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:34 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > If there is Self-awareness or enlightenment or God-state then that
> > awareness would open a new meaning to life.
>
> > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:30 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >> In my experience awareness is the beginning of a process not
an end in
> >> itself. Awareness leads to selection among raw data of
experience which is
> >> then imputed with meaning. No?
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: RP Singh <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >> To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:51 am
> >> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes
>
> >> The state of enlightenment or self-realisation is called
Turiya-avastha by
> >> yogis.
>
> >> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:16 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>> The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is
simply a
> >>> state of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state,
dream-state,
> >>> awaken state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to
the Self or Truth,
> >>> God , Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be
supreme or God.
>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>>> So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude
from a
> >>>> relativistic subjective position like mine to what I
imagined you believe is
> >>>> an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the
steps you took to
> >>>> get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain
point you will
> >>>> probably say that words are inadequate to describe the
process. However some
> >>>> of the process is probably describable. No?
>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ashok tewari <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>> To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> >>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes
>
> >>>> Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though
commonplace ( for
> >>>> they're the very same that held sway over me not so long
ago ), because they
> >>>> have roots and causes within you.
>
> >>>> The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being
superior - inferior
> >>>> but being true, without the least psychology we are all
caught up in.
>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free
from
> >>>>> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing
interpretation). Further that
> >>>>> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer
to obtain an
> >>>>> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case
I am doomed to
> >>>>> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no
sense to me that what
> >>>>> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of
my personal self
> >>>>> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure
awareness you claim
> >>>>> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's
assertions of
> >>>>> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak
of the
> >>>>> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an
expression of spiritual
> >>>>> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated
into human talk is
> >>>>> really saying something like: I know something you don't
know and what I
> >>>>> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play
word games with me
> >>>>> when I say no words can describe it because that is the
truth and too bad
> >>>>> you don't know it.
>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Molly <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>>> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>>> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am
> >>>>> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes
>
> >>>>> Very good!
>
> >>>>> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate.
>
> >>>>> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things
you know, even for a
>
> >>>>> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without
actually falling deep
>
> >>>>> > asleep !
>
> >>>>> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > > Pray tell.
>
> >>>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >>>>> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>
> >>>>> > > To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>
> >>>>> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am
>
> >>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes
>
> >>>>> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?"
>
> >>>>> > > I do.
>
> >>>>> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM,
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are
describing - then you
>
> >>>>> > >> can not be certain that
>
> >>>>> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality
are accurate. So we
>
> >>>>> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re
>
> >>>>> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe
whatever you wish and
>
> >>>>> > >> obviously do - but in terms of
>
> >>>>> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as
the rest of us. Or do
>
> >>>>> > >> you somehow have special knowledge?
>
> >>>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>>>> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>
> >>>>> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>
> >>>>> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am
>
> >>>>> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes
>
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