RP, your view is a matter of opinion, that is not to say you are wrong because no one really has any proof either way; you are speculating. Fact is we could ultimately view the term "Luck" as a "form of Karma" ie; is the person lucky or experiencing good karma? Bad luck - bad Karma? You really can't establish a cause and effect fallacy concerning past and present lives because it may possible that some that suffer in this life because of past life behaviors. Again there is no proof either way but the point is you can't negate on over the other and propose either to be a fallacy. The totality of cosmic energy is hardly understood by the most brilliant of minds and of course much debate takes place with these issues. I think it is "possible" that one can experience death here and still maintain a life within a parallel universe. This may be what can be perceived as immortality; life does not have to necessarily end here.
On Aug 2, 10:33 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I give a copy of my earlier post karma because it is of interest here > -There is no karma; some are just born lucky, some unlucky. The belief > that our present life is because of our actions in past lives is a > fallacy. If there is great difference among individuals, whether > genetic or environmental, it is just plain luck. A cow is a cow and a > dog is a dog because that's life. I was not before birth and I will > not be after death. It is better to accept that we are mortals than to > have imaginary notions of immortality. We will not live in heaven or > hell hereafter, we will simply die and cease to be. Just as the > universe came to be and is progressing according to laws of physics , > chemistry , etc. we came to be and progress according to laws of > biology, psychology, sociology , etc. Just as matter has properties we > beings have nature which is the result of our genetic endowments as > nurtured by the environment. It is this nature which may be called > personality which determines our actions. > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > The possibilities are numerous and we should include Jung's shadow and > > also the idea that we may have to repeat the same life circumstance > > should we fail to learn and overcome the obstacles that we are faced > > with. Something like a person who is born into poverty but instead of > > enduring the hardship with humility and deference becomes an arrogant > > criminal that kills several people during the rise to the top or out > > of the quagmire. This person then upon death is born into the same > > level of poverty as before with another chance at having a different > > outcome. The real question arising from all of this is who or what > > determines this destiny and fate cast upon us if in fact it is actual > > and not hypothesis. Is it we ourselves in the afterlife as floating > > souls in the cosmos awaiting the opportunity for incarnation? > > > On Aug 2, 6:09 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My mother had a lot of sayings- common proverbs- which she would whip > > > out as the situation suggested. She left school after 10th grade which > > > was considered normal during the Great Depression so these sayings > > > became an important part of her learning. One was "what you put into > > > the lives of others comes back into your own' and I must say, I find > > > this to be true as I have observed and noted lives, including my own. > > > This may be a quickie karma. Further, it seems we indeed do pay for > > > the sins/behaviors of our fathers/parents so the OT wasn't far off.// > > > We come back as food for worms and maggots an up the food chain- hope > > > I make it to a beloved dog after a few centuries. > > > > On Aug 2, 5:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There are variations, however I'm thinking that the main issue seems > > > > to be the karma. What sense would it make for a human to live a full > > > > filled life only to come back as an elephant that paints? So with > > > > that it seems that karma is the influence. It would more likely make > > > > sense to me that a person who had lived a sordid life of crime against > > > > humanity might come back as a dog in the slums. > > > > But personally I believe that some people have lived past lives but > > > > not all people, as some > > > > people are Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., > > > > while others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily > > > > identifiable. > > > > I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that > > > > our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the > > > > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return as > > > > a cow in my opinion. > > > > I think we retain life experiences within our > > > > soul and suggest that life might be occurring > > > > simultaneously on different planes or within a parallel universe and > > > > further that there is a level > > > > at which time is of no consequence. > > > > I would think that if the soul retains it's > > > > accumulated properties then it might also retain the aspects of > > > > retribution. Upon new life in the new physical frame is there a clean > > > > slate with which to develop? I often wonder why some people are born > > > > into extreme poverty and pain while other live wonderful lives. While > > > > both will have to commit to death the interim of life seems to have > > > > significance in the fact that maybe there is for them a lesson to be > > > > learned. I would also have to examine why it is that a person is born > > > > and dies within hours of living if there is any significance to life > > > > between birth and death for that individual, for that soul. > > > > If what we do in this life influences our lives > > > > to come then I have to wonder what has that > > > > person done within it's few hours of life to influence it's future > > > > life. > > > > Can we lay down a prospectus for person's future life based on > > > > general observation of the person's current life. IF so then where > > > > might be Hitler, Dahmer, Saddam etc, and what are they doing in their > > > > future life? Have they returned already and are they living among us > > > > as we speak? > > > > The question begets more questions which beget even more > > > > as the question surrounding the most mysterious aspects of human life > > > > remains enigmatic; what of death and beyond? > > > > Reincarnation is a concept amongst the many others a mere > > > > unsubstantiated belief. > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:55 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A person might have taken many births before this one. According to > > Hindu > > > > > mythology the soul has to pass birth in 8.4 million species before > > getting > > > > > birth in the human species. Also a person might have been born many > > times as > > > > > a human being , what I meant by first life was the very first time a > > soul > > > > > took birth. As he had never taken birth before that , then where were > > his > > > > > karma as a consequence of which he took birth. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What I don't get is why he took > > > > > > > birth in his first life? RP > > > > > > > What do you mean by "take" birth? As in a choosing of or a life > > > > > > assigned? > > > > > > > Is there choice in reincarnation? > > > > > > > Also, how could it be known if the prior life was the "first" life? > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 1:41 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > According to the theory of reincarnation a person takes birth as > > a > > > > > > > consequence of his actions in his past life. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk > > > > > > > > > Does this example seem to give some credence to the idea of > > > > > > > > reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > Where does this Elephant get this ability? > > > > > > > > > Are there random elements of soul/spirit floating about in the > > cosmos? > > > > > > > > > Or is this simply a product of a serious trainer animal > > relationship? > > > > > > > > > What are your thoughts on this? > > >http://www.exoticworldgifts.com/Categories.bok?category=Elephant%20Pa. > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > I don't see too much variety in the compositions other than the > > > > > > > > repetitive elephant pose and the floral arrangements so I'm > > > > > > > > wondering.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -
