"... On Aug 15, 7:14 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: ..."

> There are no gods but there is one being , you may call it Truth , Reality ,
> God , or Atman. And the fact is he doesn't require your worship and doesn't
> care if  you curse him as he is you , the witness in you and the doer in
> you. You will not understand this Gruff as you are not used to thinking
> along these lines.

I appreciate your mis-assumptions about me but I understand your words
perhaps better than you think I do.  Actually I think we might
possibly both see the same thing but pay it homage in different
terms.  You see, once I cast religion and god aside I spent a large
part of my life looking for something real in which to believe.  I
even followed the teachings of Baha'u'llah for a time and think he was
as wise (and sage) a man as was Christ and Mohammad.  It impressed me
that he taught that he was but the latest in a long line of prophets
and brought the next step after Islam which had followed
Christianity.   He also very neatly laid out the major contribution
each of the previous prophets had brought to humankind, noting that
the greatest of Christ's teachings was about loving our fellow
humans.

However wise his words though, a religion was built on and around them
and that was -- as it is with all religions -- it's downfall.  Yet
given that it is all -- all the religions and beliefs that humankind
have ever had -- a creation of the human mind and psyche and thus
subject to the same falliblities as every other human creation, it is
understandable even if not acceptable.

My belief is based on and has as its core the supremacy of the human
species.  There is not one shred of evidence or even basis for belief
in any power higher than human beings.  I'm not talking about the
power inherent in the natural order of the universe which our sciences
and arts define well.  I'm talking about the power inherent in a
unique ability of our species: We have mental and spiritual powers
many orders of magnitude higher than any other living creature.  We
are so powerful that we create our own visions of worship.  (I'm not
counting alien species but that's just Hollywood anyway. [... another
very human creation]).

> As an expert only can understand the intricacies of
> Economics only an expert who has spent a lifetime in such study and
> deliberations can understand the logic behind God. That is why most people
> go to a sage to see the way.

I appreciate your own appreciation of your place in the scheme of
things but think it is a bit self-aggrandizing.  You seem to put aside
that anyone can become an expert and it doesn't take a lifetime --
just a period of rather intense study.  Economics is neither that
mysterious nor that deep.  It is young, not even a science.  Still an
art (but a beautiful one nonetheless).  Only a hundred and sixty or so
years old.  We are just beginning to get a reasonable in-depth
understanding of it and how it actually works -- or at least a
beginning understanding and grasp of what different factors affect the
marketplace and how.  I am seeing a natural order in it which is no
great shakes since Adam Smith saw the same thing a hundred and fifty
years ago.  We may have created economics but in doing so it seems to
have tapped into a natural force in the universe that makes it adhere
to certain rules -- one being that it cannot become so overextended
that it crashes on empty.  Which it just did a couple or three years
ago.  Smith called this the invisible hand of the marketplace.

Yet one of it's more remarkable aspects is taking so long for us to
realize, absorb and metamorphosis into knowledge and with it power to
control the economy.  It's so obvious but we turn all eyes blind to
it.  It's bantered about by everyone but no one seems to consider it
an issue worth tackling.   Greed.  Plain old ordinary human greed,
which each of us has indulged many times in our lives.  It was greed
that took down every system humans have ever created.  And underlying
greed on the ladder of responsibility for oneself is fear.  If we are
able to look deep and honestly into our own hearts and minds about how
we really feel, it's fear.  Going far and deep into our own psyches
one eventually arrives at a bare base moment of pure absolute terror.
I think we realize the power we have and it terrifies us.  Terrifies
us so much that we are motivated to create other things to fear even
more -- zombies, ghouls, witches, demons, devils and the like.  It
takes our mind off deeper realities.  It also allows us to live a lie.

Deeper yet and one finds the transiency and fragility of life which
generates even greater fear,  For a consciousness as self-aware as
ours life must surely be eternal and infinte.  It cannot die, at least
no so soon and so quick.  That's unspeakable.  Yet we die and it
terrifies us needlessly.

Every living thing has a spark of consciousness at its core.  That's
why it's alive.  And that spark lives in absolute fear of dying until
it learns otherwise.  Even the simplest of organisms will shy away
from toxic circumstances.  Only humans have reached such a high level
of awareness and we've mainly projected that greater fear onto the
world we create, which explains about 99% of the violence we wreak on
each other.

It generally comes out in the form of hate.  Currently it is hatred
toward immigrants, hated toward Hispanics, hatred toward Muslims plus
a generally heightened hatred of anything that is different from
ourselves or our at times narrow-minded ways of thinking and
perceiving.  Even considering oneself on a higher plane than others is
a defense against fear.  None of us escape it.  It's part of our
nature.  We are a highly xenophobic species exactly because we are a
highly intelligent and self-aware species.

We have actually recognized this terrible failing in our genetic
character for a long time.  Religions were first created to deal with
human failings and over time countless of them have tried and failed.
Religion and concomitantly a belief in a god has been charged with
leading our species down the right path since before recorded time and
it gets a big fat collective F.

Of late we have delved into psychology in an attempt to understand and
motivate people to behave better.  Intellectually we realize that in
order to live in relative safety in society, society needs rules that
everyone is bound to obey.  It is that knowledge and confidence that
allows people to go out the front door every morning -- a belief and
trust that the vast majority of us are going to obey the rules.  And
in many ways most do.  But few realize what a great act of trust in
each other this is.  We are able to go about our daily business
without much fear or threat from each other.  Notwithstanding the
occasional sociopath and even rarer psychopath, we can generally go
about our dirunal trysts in a comfortable trust that none of us pose
an immediate threat to each other.

I think the science of psychology and it's sister ologies have pretty
much determined that a lot of the things we fear such as anti-social,
criminal and violent behavior, are born out of poverty and ignorance.
I think we are finally beginning to realize that and the current
efforts on behalf of education will produce some remarkable results
within a generation or two.

To highlight this deficit in at least American culture, this morning
on This Week I heard some unemployment numbers that ought to be spread
about widely.  Unemployment among college graduates in this country is
at 4%.  Unemployment among high school graduates is near the current
general level of 9%-10%.  And unemployment among high school dropouts
is greater than 16%.

But it eventually come to our attention and we eventually begin to do
something about it.  Our species has some very outstanding traits.
Tenacity is one of them and at times we wrongfully use it to cling to
tired old worn out beliefs long past when they need to be replaced.

Another of my favorites is more crass (though nonetheless valid).
Humans generally have to have their asses backed into a tight corner
before we get up off them and do something.  But when we finally do,
we do a pretty good job of solving the problem.  To my thinking that
we survived the Cold War, which was the first time in human history we
really had the capability to annihilate ourselves, is a huge indicator
that we're here to stay and to rule.

No matter what one's view of our species and the world which we
inhabit, at the bottom line it boils down to how well it works in
actual practice over time.  Test is always in the pudding.  If it
can't be boiled down to human day-to-day terms then it is just so many
words regardless how profound they sound.

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