There are no gods but there is one being , you may call it Truth , Reality ,
God , or Atman. And the fact is he doesn't require your worship and doesn't
care if  you curse him as he is you , the witness in you and the doer in
you. You will not understand this Gruff as you are not used to thinking
along these lines. As an expert only can understand the intricacies of
Economics only an expert who has spent a lifetime in such study and
deliberations can understand the logic behind  God. That is why most people
go to a sage to see the way.

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:32 AM, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:

> "... On Aug 15, 1:39 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]>
> wrote: ..."
>
> > Atheism ( notice again it is an 'ism) it is very extreme
> > and presumptuous because it really does not allow for other beliefs, In
> my
> > experience of dealing with Atheist, as a whole I have the feeling I am
> being
> > looked down upon as being inferior in my beliefs.
>
> I doubt I've ever used the 'ism' suffix.  I dislike 'isms' as they
> tend to delineate a group that is generally disenfranchised simply
> because of the 'ism'.
>
> As for the presumptuousness you note, it does not denote inferiority
> in the person.  However ideas and ideologies can be inferior, though
> I'm not hurling this at anyone who believes in a god.  The actuality
> of what I am saying is that beliefs in things such as gods is
> childlike (not childish).  Having a god to pray to, worship, implore,
> blame or curse is akin to a child's belief in the tooth fairy, the
> pumpkin fairy, the easter bunny, halloween ghosts and goblins, and as
> the individual grows (not out of their childlike simplicity but rather
> into a physical adult) such things as vampires, ghouls, ghosts and
> connections with the beyond.  Supernatural superstitions which are
> mental and spiritual aids when a mature responsible state cannot be
> held.
>
> Riddle me this: Of all the gods humans have worshiped and feared in
> all their time on earth, how can modern humans believe their current
> gods are the true gods any more or less than any other in history.
> Either you must believe in them all or in none of them.  I prefer none
> and see the human history of god worship as a substitute for the
> strength of mind and spirit to deal with reality which is no more or
> less than the physical world we have around us and all it contains.
>
> The fact that there are no gods makes the point about the will of god
> moot.

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