Led willfulness of the ego, yes that is a good approach and more
likely to have more impact.  We will have our ego regardless so
getting to a point where we can see, feel, understand and align our
ego would seem more productive and as you say that would bring about
the peace.

On Aug 26, 11:54 pm, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd go along with your skepticism, Slip, as being more desirable of us than
> easy - to - dwell day - dreams that seem mere pollyannaish, and perhaps
> achieve nothing on the ground !
>
> What I do believe that a better hold on our emotions, emotions charged mind,
> and the resulting emotions - led willfulness of the ego, would certainly be
> more self - empowering to us. The consequent sense of balance and poise
> would cause clearer thoughts, truer perspectives, rise of abiding values
> system and better critical thinking ability, and the skill to choose more
> solutions - oriented behaviour all the time.
>
> Anyone who does not have such hold on himself is not likely to have a
> peaceful mind and unhurried discriminating faculty, to contribute much good
> to his environment.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "If humans lived even a little more
> > often in this last state of mind, the impact on world peace, from a
> > personal to a global level, would be significant" - MB
>
> > I don't know that I could concur with such notion, many throughout
> > history have lived within enlightened states of mind and still chaos
> > ensued, maybe I need a little more elaboration on what you consider
> > the "state of mind"; is it like mind alternative, cj's cannabis, om's
> > delusion or gruff's world of reality?.  Basically any peaceful state
> > of mind could lead to global peace when adopted by the entire populous
> > of planet earth but then there wouldn't be much left to free thought
> > and free will; we might as well be like animals that operate on
> > instinct.
> > Personally I don't think the idea is to waste any more time than
> > necessary in this place because my notion is that there is another
> > place more suitable for those of peaceful demeanor; I guess that is
> > the core idea of heaven and hell.  Trying to turn planet earth into a
> > peaceful utopia is like trying to separate the water from the feces in
> > a septic tank with a fork.  It is not about "here" and that is why it
> > goes "only the good die young" because they are ready to move on to
> > wherever; possibly to a parallel universe, another plane of existence
> > or remain in some pleasant dreamscape; it really doesn't matter to me
> > at all because, as you know, I'm just a voyeur and don't give a damn
> > if the whole place implodes. Hey, I'm not a real gynecologist but I"m
> > willing to take a look. ;-)
>
> > "When humans understand that a thought is just a thought, just a
> > creation from formless energy, the iron grip the ego can have on us
> > begins to lessen." - MB
>
> > Very assumptive here Molly, creation from formless energy, iron grip
> > and lessening on the basis of simply understanding.
> > We have yet to even scratch the surface of what thought is and what
> > can manifest from it.  Perhaps life itself and all awareness is
> > resultant of thought, whether from a collective human thought or from
> > some external, spiritual or supreme consciousness.  Nothing is
> > formless, everything can have some degree of form even if we are
> > unaware of it's form.  I've never seen any angels but I guess they
> > have some kind of form if you believe they exist.  I've experience
> > apparitions of dead people and as you know within the dream realm I've
> > encountered numerous souls beyond this world. Again I have to say that
> > life is beyond "here", beyond what we know, what we see, what we
> > experience and what we expect.
>
> > "So, our personal answer is to share with people these simple
> > principles that govern their states of mind. Because, beneath it all,
> > all humans are already wise, good, generous, kind and even
> > enlightened." - MB
>
> > Really?  Do we just go out and tell people their state of mind is
> > skewed?  Do you know the wench that works at the market where I shop?
> > I would like you to share the simple principles her and hope you don't
> > get your nose bit off.  I'm sure beneath it all she is wise, good and
> > generous but on top of the beneath the woman is totally beast.
>
> > However, I have to give you credit for your dream fantasy excursion.
>
> > Now you do have some good points there Molly but don't we all when it
> > comes down to ............"If Only People Would..(blurb) life would be
> > perfect.  Basically that means............If there weren't so many
> > assholes in the world wouldn't it be a great place to live?
>
> > You Betcha!
>
> > I dare you to knock that off my shoulder (old commercial).  Kiss me
> > first to lesson the shock.
>
> > On Aug 26, 8:56 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Mind: All human beings share in being a part of, and connected to
> > > Mind, the universal Life energy and source of intelligence beyond the
> > > brain. Because of Mind, we share in an endless flow of wisdom—each of
> > > us equally capable of being wise.
>
> > > Consciousness: All human beings share in the principle or fact of
> > > Consciousness. We experience life. We also experience life from
> > > different levels of consciousness—from truncated and fear-based, angry
> > > and insecure “levels” to grounded, secure, safe, wise and even
> > > enlightened states (Buddha Mind, Christ Consciousness, the “Father
> > > within,” the Kingdom of Heaven.) If humans lived even a little more
> > > often in this last state of mind, the impact on world peace, from a
> > > personal to a global level, would be significant.
>
> > > The principle of Thought, as a universal function, guides humans
> > > either toward or away from non-violence, love and compassion. The
> > > existence of a personal thought system, or “ego”—which we see as
> > > simply being a sticky attachment to, or identification with thoughts—
> > > trips up our noble aspirations for peace. Yet we have found that
> > > teaching people about the neutral fact of Thought, and how it creates
> > > reality for each of us (rather than attempting to change “content”),
> > > allows people to shine the light of this principle on all their
> > > thinking. Levels of consciousness jump as people gain understanding
> > > about the formless source of all ideas, beliefs and opinions.
>
> > > When humans understand that a thought is just a thought, just a
> > > creation from formless energy, the iron grip the ego can have on us
> > > begins to lessen. Lighter, gentler, more inspired feelings arising
> > > from impersonal, or universal thoughts create kind and selfless
> > > behaviors. We begin to realize we are so much more than our limited
> > > thoughts. So much more than we ever “thought”! While respecting our
> > > own and others’ traditions, cultures and preferences, we see beyond
> > > the forms that humans have created—and to the deeper truth of our
> > > common divinity, our shared existence in universal Mind, Consciousness
> > > and Thought … or in Life. From this vantage point, there is no reason
> > > to argue, to fight, to hurt another. When I hurt you, I diminish me.
>
> > > So, our personal answer is to share with people these simple
> > > principles that govern their states of mind. Because, beneath it all,
> > > all humans are already wise, good, generous, kind and even
> > > enlightened. When the clouds of thought begin to part, they each take
> > > their unique and radiant place in being one in “six billion paths to
> > > peace.
>
> > > What do YOU think?
>
> > > See also Sydney Banks, “The Missing Link: Reflections on Life and
> > > Philosophy” & other works.
>
> > >http://www.centerforsustainablechange.org/principles.php
>
> --
> ASHOK TEWARI

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