IIntresting, Molly, that at the beginning of this thread I was thinking on how to describe how, while I have many spiritual beliefs including a single God, I try to keep my perspective grounded in 'reality' and scientific explaination. Bringing these two together can be difficult especially in trying to express one's self to others and many times I relent! However, with the inclusion of certain archetypes, I see to an expression of myself that is more comprehensible. After reading the links that Slip provided I have come to the conclusion that I most times identify with Vishnu. I am certainly glad that when I awoke this morning that you are all still here!
On Aug 27, 12:18 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you have the point here, vam, that any change would be within > us, how we experience mind, consciousness and thought. I would not > presume to tell anyone in my daily experience how to conduct this > within themselves unless it came up in conversation. But I do hold > the Sydney Banks model up here as a pretty good one, on how I conduct > myself in the moment to achieve clarity of experience. I like the > simplicity of it. > > I don't encounter the wench at the store so all I can say is that I > see my own direct experience as a reflection of the mind, > consciousness and thought within me, and find it within myself to be > fully present with each other. This allows me to meet challenge in > experience without conflict. If I find myself perceiving conflict, I > know I am viewing my experience from the vantage point of ego (dual), > and make the internal adjustments to regain my integrity (include > aspects of self excluded by the ego viewpoint.) This can often be > done and related to someone else without a word, more of a smile with > direct eye contact and expression of peace that immediately allows > calm to prevail. Words with a calm voice can also resolve more that > thoughts or intellect. > > That is not to say that I have not been called to reclaim my warrior > aspect, rise to the current adversarial tone before toning the > experience back to a peaceful one. But even this, for me, is done as > an expression of the one as the only relation to other, eliminating > any right or wrong in the situation. > > My life has taken may twists and turns that I would never have > guessed. People I love get sick and die and have trouble and I feel > it all with them, these are the challenges of being fully human. I > accept all arms of Shiva the creator/destroyer, and that acceptance > has become easier as I age in this life. > > On Aug 27, 12:54 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'd go along with your skepticism, Slip, as being more desirable of us than > > easy - to - dwell day - dreams that seem mere pollyannaish, and perhaps > > achieve nothing on the ground ! > > > What I do believe that a better hold on our emotions, emotions charged mind, > > and the resulting emotions - led willfulness of the ego, would certainly be > > more self - empowering to us. The consequent sense of balance and poise > > would cause clearer thoughts, truer perspectives, rise of abiding values > > system and better critical thinking ability, and the skill to choose more > > solutions - oriented behaviour all the time. > > > Anyone who does not have such hold on himself is not likely to have a > > peaceful mind and unhurried discriminating faculty, to contribute much good > > to his environment. > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "If humans lived even a little more > > > often in this last state of mind, the impact on world peace, from a > > > personal to a global level, would be significant" - MB > > > > I don't know that I could concur with such notion, many throughout > > > history have lived within enlightened states of mind and still chaos > > > ensued, maybe I need a little more elaboration on what you consider > > > the "state of mind"; is it like mind alternative, cj's cannabis, om's > > > delusion or gruff's world of reality?. Basically any peaceful state > > > of mind could lead to global peace when adopted by the entire populous > > > of planet earth but then there wouldn't be much left to free thought > > > and free will; we might as well be like animals that operate on > > > instinct. > > > Personally I don't think the idea is to waste any more time than > > > necessary in this place because my notion is that there is another > > > place more suitable for those of peaceful demeanor; I guess that is > > > the core idea of heaven and hell. Trying to turn planet earth into a > > > peaceful utopia is like trying to separate the water from the feces in > > > a septic tank with a fork. It is not about "here" and that is why it > > > goes "only the good die young" because they are ready to move on to > > > wherever; possibly to a parallel universe, another plane of existence > > > or remain in some pleasant dreamscape; it really doesn't matter to me > > > at all because, as you know, I'm just a voyeur and don't give a damn > > > if the whole place implodes. Hey, I'm not a real gynecologist but I"m > > > willing to take a look. ;-) > > > > "When humans understand that a thought is just a thought, just a > > > creation from formless energy, the iron grip the ego can have on us > > > begins to lessen." - MB > > > > Very assumptive here Molly, creation from formless energy, iron grip > > > and lessening on the basis of simply understanding. > > > We have yet to even scratch the surface of what thought is and what > > > can manifest from it. Perhaps life itself and all awareness is > > > resultant of thought, whether from a collective human thought or from > > > some external, spiritual or supreme consciousness. Nothing is > > > formless, everything can have some degree of form even if we are > > > unaware of it's form. I've never seen any angels but I guess they > > > have some kind of form if you believe they exist. I've experience > > > apparitions of dead people and as you know within the dream realm I've > > > encountered numerous souls beyond this world. Again I have to say that > > > life is beyond "here", beyond what we know, what we see, what we > > > experience and what we expect. > > > > "So, our personal answer is to share with people these simple > > > principles that govern their states of mind. Because, beneath it all, > > > all humans are already wise, good, generous, kind and even > > > enlightened." - MB > > > > Really? Do we just go out and tell people their state of mind is > > > skewed? Do you know the wench that works at the market where I shop? > > > I would like you to share the simple principles her and hope you don't > > > get your nose bit off. I'm sure beneath it all she is wise, good and > > > generous but on top of the beneath the woman is totally beast. > > > > However, I have to give you credit for your dream fantasy excursion. > > > > Now you do have some good points there Molly but don't we all when it > > > comes down to ............"If Only People Would..(blurb) life would be > > > perfect. Basically that means............If there weren't so many > > > assholes in the world wouldn't it be a great place to live? > > > > You Betcha! > > > > I dare you to knock that off my shoulder (old commercial). Kiss me > > > first to lesson the shock. > > > > On Aug 26, 8:56 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mind: All human beings share in being a part of, and connected to > > > > Mind, the universal Life energy and source of intelligence beyond the > > > > brain. Because of Mind, we share in an endless flow of wisdom—each of > > > > us equally capable of being wise. > > > > > Consciousness: All human beings share in the principle or fact of > > > > Consciousness. We experience life. We also experience life from > > > > different levels of consciousness—from truncated and fear-based, angry > > > > and insecure “levels” to grounded, secure, safe, wise and even > > > > enlightened states (Buddha Mind, Christ Consciousness, the “Father > > > > within,” the Kingdom of Heaven.) If humans lived even a little more > > > > often in this last state of mind, the impact on world peace, from a > > > > personal to a global level, would be significant. > > > > > The principle of Thought, as a universal function, guides humans > > > > either toward or away from non-violence, love and compassion. The > > > > existence of a personal thought system, or “ego”—which we see as > > > > simply being a sticky attachment to, or identification with thoughts— > > > > trips up our noble aspirations for peace. Yet we have found that > > > > teaching people about the neutral fact of Thought, and how it creates > > > > reality for each of us (rather than attempting to change “content”), > > > > allows people to shine the light of this principle on all their > > > > thinking. Levels of consciousness jump as people gain understanding > > > > about the formless source of all ideas, beliefs and opinions. > > > > > When humans understand that a thought is just a thought, just a > > > > creation from formless energy, the iron grip the ego can have on us > > > > begins to lessen. Lighter, gentler, more inspired feelings arising > > > > from impersonal, or universal thoughts create kind and selfless > > > > behaviors. We begin to realize we are so much more than our limited > > > > thoughts. So much more than we ever “thought”! While respecting our > > > > own and others’ traditions, cultures and preferences, we see beyond > > > > the forms that humans have created—and to the deeper truth of our > > > > common divinity, our shared existence in universal Mind, Consciousness > > > > and Thought … or in Life. From this vantage point, there is no reason > > > > to argue, to fight, to hurt another. When I hurt you, I diminish me. > > > > > So, our personal answer is to share with people these simple > > > > principles that govern their states of mind. Because, beneath it all, > > > > all humans are already wise, good, generous, kind and even > > > > enlightened. When the clouds of thought begin to part, they each take > > > > their unique and radiant place in being one in “six billion paths to > > > > peace. > > > > > What do YOU think? > > > > > See also Sydney Banks, “The Missing Link: Reflections on Life and > > > > Philosophy” & other works. > > > > >http://www.centerforsustainablechange.org/principles.php > > > -- > > ASHOK TEWARI- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
