There is something that makes me cautious when anyone proposes an
explanation for all things (+'God'), and it boils down to how little of
our ignorance is knowable. Even our best insights and analyses could and
probably would fall apart once we reach the border between this reality
and another. What if there are an infinite number of abstractions
between this physical universe and God? Just as the laws of physics seem
to change across orders of magnitude, perhaps greater levels also change
similarly, with each one more populated than the atoms of our universe,
operating between magnitude levels in ways similar to thermodynamics. I
am not an authority on any of these things. But beginning and ending,
creation and destruction, if you lose the concept of linear time they
also lose their meaning. I hope this clarifies somewhat my belief that
our views might be compatible, in different words, that is the challenge
yes?
I still need to check on Kali Yuga that DWB mentioned, but if anyone has
found systems resembling this I would greatly appreciate not feeling
alone on it. :p
On 12/6/2010 7:05 AM, RP Singh wrote:
Why think of time in any sense at all , but doesn't it seem reasonable
to believe that there have always been universes and life and death
will continue in infinity whereas it is accepted that this universe
began and will end. My point is that like God Creation with a chain of
universes will continue in eternity.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Ash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
RP I don't think that time exists in a substantial sense, except
to explain sequences of events or provide reference states/events.
From what we do know of it, if I am correct, time is relative, and
I am beginning to think of it similarly to gravity. In my view the
present can and the past has been affected by the future. Through
this I accept causality but deny determinism.
Now why cloak explanation in very human terms like happiness and
loneliness? What is pleasurable and painful to this trans-being?
This implies to me a changeful One, not eternal and omnipotent in
the linear senses usually attributed. But something alive, with
living parts which have an impact on the whole. Sorry if I am
putting words in your mouth, care to clarify more?
On 12/5/2010 11:14 PM, RP Singh wrote:
Ash my meaning is that God finds his happiness in his creation
and therefore , though universes have a beginning and an end ,
Creation has no beginning and no end as there would always be
universes before and after the present universes. In other words
there would be no beginning or end of time.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Ash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This leads us to the question of the existence of our
universe at all, if a being existed: omnipresent, omniscient,
eternal; what point would there be to creating our universe?
On 12/5/2010 12:12 PM, RP Singh wrote:
Francis , if creation were to have a beginning and an end
the eternity of God would have no meaning as it is in
creation that God's presence is felt. God would have become
a very lonely fellow.
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, frantheman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
RP, I've asked the question before and I'll ask it again:
Who sez?
Any of us can make pronouncements ... about anything.
The trick is to
back them up.
Francis
On 5 Dez., 16:09, RP <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> There is no beginning or end of God. He is eternal.
There is no
> beginning or end of creation. Before this universe
there were other
> universes and after this universe there will be other
universes. In
> fact there is no point in time when there was a first
universe or
> there will be a last universe. God and Creation are
both eternal , it
> is us beings that are finite.
