On 12/16/2010 11:50 AM, Pat wrote:
On Dec 8, 7:11 pm, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/8/2010 12:26 PM, Pat wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:57 pm, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote:
Not to mention that "work" is also kinetic energy! ;)
There is nothing that isn't energy. Well, to my knowledge, I, nor no
one of which I know, has discovered anything that isn't some form of
energy. The only argument I can think of that may lead someone there
is if someone demanded that 'nothing' had to consist of some
underlying substance (although I view that argument as a false
premiss, as nothing is simply that which does not exist and has NO
substance). If one conceded an underlying substance to 'nothing',
then that substance could be called 'non-existence' and MAY, in a
twisted way, be viewed as something other than energy; but, as non-
existence, by definition, does not exist, one would never find
anything--even to the inclusion of a 'nothing'--that would be made of
it.
Like I said, it's the only arguent that leads anywhere close; but, I
thik it's a black hole of an idea in that the idea sucks so much, it
sucks itself to oblivion. ;-)
An idea I have been enjoying even more than 'all is energy' is that "all
is information". In my view whereas we can say 'all is energy' we mean
composition but abstracting any phenomena, object, interaction into
types of information promotes a fundamentally universal layer to compare
vastly divergent fields: eg the accumulation of density producing
gravity (which could be seen as another density in space/time), and the
similarities to dynamically evolving, self organizing systems of
information (life, virii) as a higher form of information (greater ratio
of potential:matter-density) as the formula to understand the
similarities and differences of how (factors) each operates within their
environments (space/time). This to me would also eventually lead to key
identifiers for what we are (potentials), where we are (bounded
attraction differentials). A consequence of this system is the inherent
intelligence of the cosmos. I can't put it into words well right now,
but I see that many earlier ideas have helped spawn this and the name
that's stuck with me is 'super-intelligent design'. More pseudoscience
than anything really until I can rerun my memory/experiences and get it
all written down. (time, time, time...)
Well, the problem I see with this is that information has to be stored
and it has to be stored in some format in some apparatus. I believe
that the simplest way to store the information is to use coded energy
(perhaps an extension of binary-coded quanta packaged together to form
bytes in the same way we do with computers) and the apparatus would,
also, have to be comprisedd of some form of energy. So, we're back to
square one: all is energy.
In my theory, 3 of the Calabi-Yau
dimensions are relegated to the storage of information (you see, I've
HAD to think about this as a major aspect OF my theory, that is, where
is abstract information stored and how is it stored?). One dimension
is concerned with basic concepts, categories, if you will, for
example, a container. Another dimension is dedicated to storing the
various forms that concept can take. iusing the same example, a
container might be a cup, or a barrel or a pair of cupped hands, etc.
The third dimensions represents how the form exists, that is, whether
or not it exists only in abstract form (like a spherical cube) or if
the form can occur in space-time as an instantiated (actual/real) form
or whether the form is somewhere in-between, like dreaming of a
flying, pink elephant. With 3 dimensions, all information can be
stored in an incredibly small space using the concept that those three
dimensions are, topigraphically, a pointless region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointless_topology
Given a pointless topology, an infinite amount of information could be
stored as I describe above. Yet it would all be done with energy.
We, then, use our consciousness to fetch into that area and retrieve
certain thoughts back into our 4-D world via two interfaces:
1) the interface that fetches into the 3-dimensional abtract are
wher einformation is stored. This is done by consciousness itself.
2) the interface that binds consciousness to our brain, which I
believe to be the network of tubulin molecules that run through every
neuron and not only act as a seketal frame FOR the neuron but also act
as a vibrational framework that allows for the quantum flux of
information from consciousness to flow into our physical being.
This is a major aspect of my theory, in that it uses the Calabi-Yau
dimensions to explain consciousness and where abstract ideas are
stored. In a sense, It's a String Theory extrapolation of Plato's
concept of Forms; although I arrived at it independantly without
knowing that Plato had already believed dthat abstracts had their own
form of existence.
This is a fascinating application of quantum concepts Pat, I admit to
only skimming materials on Calabi-Yau shapes, and that was some time
ago. I will try to refine my idea, let me know if your view of it
changes in regards to your theories.
Information as an attribute or quality differs from data or energy, in
the sense that mechanisms contain information but information can
contain an unlimited potential descriptive power. Energy cannot explain
itself under the terms of everything it is not for example, however
information can represent all the convolutions of probable future states
of an energy, the causal chains bringing it to a state/place/time in
reference to other energies, abstract the likeness and generalize
similarities with or differences to other energies. I suppose the
presence of something would be the container, but I wouldn't say
information is dependent on a specific thing, more that it is the nature
of things to possess an informational quality.
Consider a clock for example, there is data integrated into the circuit
and/or gears to provide timekeeping using a reliable measurement of time
(using quartz or spring). The data is of the mechanisms and of their
interactions which work together to produce the desired effect. That
necessary data can be abstracted into mediums through apprenticeship,
writing diagrams and notes, transcribing writing into digital form, etc
for communicating. The information, though in many forms is not reliant
on any one form, though the emergent results and evolving designs bear
the weight of greater information through the whole cumulative process.
That accumulation of all the information in this one tool we call a
clock represents a magnificent amount, much more than would be apparent
to the casual onlooker (who happens to believe they own one) or even the
sum of it's parts and mechanisms. This is a level of complexity one
would be aware of when considering evolution or deep ecology, though the
information is coded into them, the information potential is not apparent.
It is difficult to abstract universal properties of information without
becoming hinged on value bases, but I'll throw my last thought to you on
this because it invaded my thoughts. Suppose the evolution of life leads
to lifeforms within our universe pushing the boundaries of space and
time to create ever greater vehicles to survival. Eventually, beginning
to exhaust resources they need to manipulate the form of the universe to
affect time and space. From an information perspective we could
speculate that life and the universe co-evolve naturally, and if so,
what would the potential challenges and solutions be for universes in
that hypothetical situation? Would the beings devise a cosmic Dyson
sphere as a means to reach further? How different would it be from a
chicken egg?
