I rarely understand Gabby's comments and this thread is not
exception.  Ash, I agree with your idea, it begins with a spark in us,
and moves out to our family, community, society, world...

On Feb 3, 11:47 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote:
> I congratulate your dedication Molly, after reading a few pages of the
> Universal Declaration of Human Rights I got too caught up in pedantic
> philosophical matters to finish some time ago!
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>    "Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of
> the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement
> and its benefits."
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> To me this indicates the thinking, or at least the thinking they want us
> thinking of the thoughts of the governing boards at UN. ;-)  What type
> of people do we want society to produce? What type of society do we want
> people composing? Obviously a more united population who can interact
> and cooperate is more productive in terms of creative and intelligent
> output, building things, or just doing work. The arts seem good but it
> is a hard one, mainly that creative works shouldn't be stifled as
> parody, criticism, passion, mind benders, comedy, drama etc exercise the
> mind and make it robust and diverse in judging the social/political
> environments. It seems that to 'share in scientific advancement' means
> the process of gaining and collaborating scientific knowledge because
> 'benefits' would be the products- in that case we want educated and
> intelligent populations in order to drive society toward greater
> achievements. This makes sense to me and I agree with the unstated ends
> it implies. I saved the 'freely' for last, at first it sounds like 'free
> of coercion into or disenfranchisement' but it further implies (to me)
> the responsibility of society to promote these capacities in their
> constituents.
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> On freedom, emancipation, liberation I think we should consider what
> things promote or hinder the healthy mind+body+spirit. Ask many older
> people and they will tell you if you have health you've got it all, so
> lets take a clue that physical health frees the mind from physical
> torment that is a type of freedom or greater mobility. If the mind isn't
> stuck or tormented but creatively inspired and charged with knowledge
> that is a type of liberation. If we have something to ignite our
> spirits, a primal impetus, great hope/work or 'vision' the spirit can be
> emancipated. Okay, enough from me I'll just say: A unifying vision for
> any human is seeing this paragraph in action. Or one could argue we
> haven't had enough horrors to demand it of ourselves (or have we?)...
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> On 2/2/2011 6:43 AM, Molly wrote:
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> > The United Nations has a declaration of human rights that states in
> > the preamble:  "This Universal Declaration Of Human Rights as a common
> > standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end
> > that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this
> > Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education
> > to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive
> > measures, national and international, to secure their universal and
> > effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member
> > States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their
> > jurisdiction."
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> > It has 30 sections, and the 27th states:  "Everyone has the right
> > freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy
> > the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits."
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> > This got me thinking about what it means to participate in life.
> > Certainly, it means different things in different spots around the
> > globe.  And, I can appreciate the United Nations boldly stating the
> > ideal for humankind that includes freedom and choice.  But I wonder
> > what it really means to participate in life, especially since in my
> > current life stages, I have given up the ideas of goals and long term
> > plans and surrendered, for the most part, to the calling of the
> > moment.
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> > I say this with the understanding that what calls me in the moment is
> > a direct result of my life's work, my faith and my internal
> > environment (thoughts, feelings, relationships, attitudes.)  This is
> > to say that we never come completely fresh to each moment, we come as
> > we are.  Yet, it seems to me, how we present ourselves to each moment
> > allows possibility for change, growth, freedom, love...
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> > What do YOU think?

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