LOL far to many politicians consider the good of their pocketbooks and corporations over the good of the people Allan
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > The great thing is how the UN or member states have so much potential to do > good, the bad thing is I don't trust a single one to do so without ulterior > motives.. O.o > > > On 2/5/2011 8:55 AM, rigsy03 wrote: > >> I "get" Gabby. Am reading a bio of Mao- "The Messiah and the >> Mandarins" by Dennis Bloodworth (!). >> >> Where is the UN effective these days? I think it's a sorry flop- but >> once, a nice/calculating try. >> >> Not sure about that spark, either, as some must oppose by various >> means from political dissent to unique life styles very different from >> their parents or society in that it is possible and children, >> hopefully, have the courage to define themselves feely, as well. >> >> On Feb 4, 10:34 am, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I rarely understand Gabby's comments and this thread is not >>> exception. Ash, I agree with your idea, it begins with a spark in us, >>> and moves out to our family, community, society, world... >>> >>> On Feb 3, 11:47 pm, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I congratulate your dedication Molly, after reading a few pages of the >>>> Universal Declaration of Human Rights I got too caught up in pedantic >>>> philosophical matters to finish some time ago! >>>> "Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of >>>> the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement >>>> and its benefits." >>>> To me this indicates the thinking, or at least the thinking they want us >>>> thinking of the thoughts of the governing boards at UN. ;-) What type >>>> of people do we want society to produce? What type of society do we want >>>> people composing? Obviously a more united population who can interact >>>> and cooperate is more productive in terms of creative and intelligent >>>> output, building things, or just doing work. The arts seem good but it >>>> is a hard one, mainly that creative works shouldn't be stifled as >>>> parody, criticism, passion, mind benders, comedy, drama etc exercise the >>>> mind and make it robust and diverse in judging the social/political >>>> environments. It seems that to 'share in scientific advancement' means >>>> the process of gaining and collaborating scientific knowledge because >>>> 'benefits' would be the products- in that case we want educated and >>>> intelligent populations in order to drive society toward greater >>>> achievements. This makes sense to me and I agree with the unstated ends >>>> it implies. I saved the 'freely' for last, at first it sounds like 'free >>>> of coercion into or disenfranchisement' but it further implies (to me) >>>> the responsibility of society to promote these capacities in their >>>> constituents. >>>> On freedom, emancipation, liberation I think we should consider what >>>> things promote or hinder the healthy mind+body+spirit. Ask many older >>>> people and they will tell you if you have health you've got it all, so >>>> lets take a clue that physical health frees the mind from physical >>>> torment that is a type of freedom or greater mobility. If the mind isn't >>>> stuck or tormented but creatively inspired and charged with knowledge >>>> that is a type of liberation. If we have something to ignite our >>>> spirits, a primal impetus, great hope/work or 'vision' the spirit can be >>>> emancipated. Okay, enough from me I'll just say: A unifying vision for >>>> any human is seeing this paragraph in action. Or one could argue we >>>> haven't had enough horrors to demand it of ourselves (or have we?)... >>>> On 2/2/2011 6:43 AM, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>>> The United Nations has a declaration of human rights that states in >>>>> the preamble: "This Universal Declaration Of Human Rights as a common >>>>> standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end >>>>> that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this >>>>> Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education >>>>> to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive >>>>> measures, national and international, to secure their universal and >>>>> effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member >>>>> States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their >>>>> jurisdiction." >>>>> It has 30 sections, and the 27th states: "Everyone has the right >>>>> freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy >>>>> the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits." >>>>> This got me thinking about what it means to participate in life. >>>>> Certainly, it means different things in different spots around the >>>>> globe. And, I can appreciate the United Nations boldly stating the >>>>> ideal for humankind that includes freedom and choice. But I wonder >>>>> what it really means to participate in life, especially since in my >>>>> current life stages, I have given up the ideas of goals and long term >>>>> plans and surrendered, for the most part, to the calling of the >>>>> moment. >>>>> I say this with the understanding that what calls me in the moment is >>>>> a direct result of my life's work, my faith and my internal >>>>> environment (thoughts, feelings, relationships, attitudes.) This is >>>>> to say that we never come completely fresh to each moment, we come as >>>>> we are. Yet, it seems to me, how we present ourselves to each moment >>>>> allows possibility for change, growth, freedom, love... >>>>> What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >> > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
