:) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> it is good to see you listening pol > Allan > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:04 AM, pol.science kid <[email protected]>wrote: > >> you know..it might be totally irrelevant to this...but yesterday...i >> was walking home...and i got the fork where you take the short cut or >> the longer way round...and suddenly this post came to my mind....and i >> was thinking... you know...there are no directions in reality ...its >> only right and left for us and even thats relative...not a novel >> thought i know..but i just felt ...it should be put here.... >> >> On Mar 12, 7:59 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I thought more about this topic. I gave a minor example regarding an >> > impending visit but ambilvalence can be more serious, I think. And >> > maybe I have used the wrong term to begin with! We were raised, for >> > instance, to ignore the incongruities in others and depended on >> > etiquette to get us through- we didn't often question the disconnect >> > but that began to change in the '70's with pop psychology and more >> > openess in relationships plus new terms and tools for labeling >> > behavior. >> > >> > Ambivalence may be a primitive warning sign, for instance, that >> > persons or events do not "add up", yet it resides initially in the sub >> > cs./emotions to begin with until it is able to be an intelligent >> > assessment. >> > >> > On Mar 10, 12:25 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > is ambivalence to be looked at in terms...or dissected of thesis, >> antithesis >> > > and synthesis..only...the anti thesis is as natural as thesis...not >> merely >> > > an artificial correction.... >> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:33 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Yikes! >> > >> > > > But Mardi and Gibbs have other ideas on the subject which suggest >> > > > ambivalence is quite normal. >> > >> > > > It depends on the choice/decision. I am quite at ease in making most >> > > > choices- informed, confident of my judgement and taste, etc. BUT... >> > >> > > > There are some areas that do indeed get muddied up sometimes and >> that >> > > > would often be relationships and the more intimate, the more >> > > > complicated. But it could also be another type of decision that has >> > > > consequences- a major purchase or committment to a career, etc. I am >> > > > not talking about the Pruefrock debate. >> > >> > > > Often there is a conflict between duty and expectation of one's >> > > > position and desire, feelings, etc. that are hestitant or in >> > > > opposition. In my case, I have agreed to a two week visit and I >> really >> > > > do not feel up to it. (Guilt?) Could it be the long, longer, longest >> > > > winter in memory? Is it putting away the knickknacks so the toddlers >> > > > won't break them? Is it that my routine and order will fly to the >> > > > winds? Or will the advent of spring- for surely it will arrive one >> of >> > > > these days- open windows, no boots, change the entire atmosphere? If >> > > > the past is a guide, it will be fun and lovely and I will grieve >> when >> > > > they depart. BUT... >> > >> > > > This child and I are very close yet have really gone through some >> > > > stuff together. I debated and she made reservations. :-) Am I still >> > > > remembering her as a teenager? >> > >> > > > Perhaps ambivalence comes into play when there is a good deal of >> > > > history/information and we get swarmed. So Mardi and Gibbs make good >> > > > points- go with your heart and accept the ambivalences. Afterall, it >> > > > is all all those differences that add spice to relationships, as >> well. >> > >> > > > But she can't have that ivory Buddha... :-) >> > >> > > > The instance when someone defined ambivalence was crucial and I >> > > > suppose part of a plan to help me assess facts versus wishes until I >> > > > finally had the courage to file for divorce. >> > >> > > > On Mar 10, 2:44 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > When felt as being problematic as rigsy does, ambivalence by >> > > > > definition is ‘pathological’. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence >> > >> > > > > The issue is not having been clarified enough to actually >> integrate >> > > > > apparently differing issues, values, notions etc. So, in this >> context, >> > > > > her feelings of distress point to an actual need for >> clarification. >> > >> > > > > There is a point where one can actually integrate all aspects of a >> > > > > situation/self. And, even though Wilber is more of a pop icon than >> a >> > > > > final embodiment of truth, he and his integralism is a good place >> to >> > > > > ‘start’ when it comes to this topic – ambivalence. >> > >> > > > >> http://integrallife.com/http://www.integralworld.net/augustine4.htmlh... >> > >> > > > > The topic, as simple as it is, can be made into a vast labyrinth >> of >> > > > > thought. >> > >> > > > > Molly on occasion addresses this too and in one of the above links >> > > > > philosophers are addressed including Plato. >> > >> > > > > As far as I’ve found, his “The Fifth” is about as far as one can >> go. >> > >> > > > > On Mar 9, 8:34 am, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > > > > > Re ambivalence - It is not pathological but absolutely normal. >> > > > Love/hate exist in every relationship both with the self and the >> self and >> > > > the self and others. If only we all were logical in the sense of >> scientific >> > > > cause and effect we could always be 'objective." But we human beings >> are >> > > > much more complex than simply disembodied intellects. There is also >> the >> > > > realm of mixed feelings. When you add linear (scientific causality) >> logic >> > > > with the realm of messy feelings you get a hybrid causality I refer >> to as >> > > > experiential logic (thinking plus mixed feelings and emotions). >> > > > Acknowledging this fact validate my wise psychoanalyst's insightful >> > > > observation: "In between black and white are not shades of gray; >> rather, >> > > > there are colors. >> > >> > > > > > Gibbs Williams >> > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > > > > > Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:46 am >> > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Ambivalence >> > >> > > > > > I feel it in my mind and body and it can be very distressing- >> back and >> > > > > > forth- this way and that- a maybe then no and all over again! >> :-) >> > >> > > > > > The brain/logic could have one arena and the >> sub-conscious/emotions >> > > > > > have another. >> > >> > > > > > Sometimes I just don't decide and let whatever happens, happen- >> i.e. I >> > > > > > tune out choice. This can be troublesome later if do not like >> the >> > > > > > outcome! :-) >> > >> > > > > > Someone once told me ambivalence is natural and normal and is a >> way of >> > > > > > seeing things/relationships realistically. Perhaps that is true. >> > >> > > > > > On Mar 9, 6:20 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > The first step is 'seeing' (being aware of) it. >> > >> > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:03 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > i so get what you mean...... >> > >> > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 6:47 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > How do you all/y'all handle this nettle?- Hide quoted text >> - >> > >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > > -- >> > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > -- \--/ Peace
