Hahahah that whole spiel from me and you reply to this one part! Yes yes okay and to be able to understand this deluge of analogical data takes...... come on you can do it it.......? ;¬)
On Apr 15, 1:15 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...What else would you call an uptake in the level of > understaning of sciences in a given sociaty if not intelegence? " - > Lee > > Collection of analogical data? :) > > On Apr 15, 4:16 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hey Chuck, > > > Yes our technology has made a great differance to the human animal. > > It is now far easier for our kids to remotley bully each other, or for > > house parties to become massivly gate crashed. Two examples of > > technolgy makeing things worse perhaps? As I say eb and flow, good > > things and bad, let us look at the whole. > > > Again you seem to be speaking with authority about the past. 1000 > > years ago is long time ago, how do you know these things? > > > Heh that is a mouth full and I see much truth in it. Yes of coure our > > opinions on what is forward progress are bound to differ and I bet if > > we were to ask our dearest Gabs, and our Ornary OM they too would > > produce differant yard sticks. > > > Hah hah yes indeed all topics are broad, I can think of not one that > > is simple. However does this mean we cannot have meaningfull discourse > > on any subject? Nope I disagree, if only that after almost a week you > > and I have gotten to know each other a little. I find that very > > meaningfull indeed. What is a human without human interaction? > > > Yes I mean some of that, but also it is possible to realise that such > > feelings serve a low porpouse and erradicate them from your life. > > > I can't agree that the erradication of such feelings somehow changes > > what it is to be human. > > > I am human, if I state that I am now-a-days rarely angry and never > > jelous, am I now to be defined as being diferant from human? > > > Yes I can see some forward movement on world widfe ethics, but I also > > see much evidance of backwards movment on personal morality, so agian > > eb and flow and taking the whole into acount. > > > Heh so you have asserted without knowing then? > > > No I don't belive that American gun onwers are all frighted rabbits, > > only that this is the typical argument that I hear from the majority > > of them. After all if you can't take a persons words as being true > > then I think we are doomed. > > > Guns are fun, and yes I have fired them many times. Revolvers, .22's, > > SLR's, semi automatic hand guns. They sure are fun, but you know I > > still can't help thinking that the only desgin use for a hand gun is > > to shoot people. So not at all like basket ball IMO. > > > I'll takle single indivduals in sociaty and what the PM has just said > > together as they are linked. > > > The uppermost thought in Mr Camerons mind is I belive the up and > > coming local elections come May 5th and the referendum on AV at the > > same day. Our PM is despertly trying to curry favour with the > > electorate, and so this talk about cutting down immergration I am > > alsmost ashamed to say mirrors the mood of the majority of the > > people. Nope not for economic reasons has he now trotted this line > > out. Single indviduals are angry, angry that the Poles take all the > > jobs, angry at the banks, angry at the goverment, angry at the world > > wide global crisis, just plain angry(I of course can only really speak > > about my own sociaty on this). Anger is not condusive to social > > cohesivness is it? > > > On the surface it may seem that technology is not the same as > > increased intelegence, but surely they are linked? Your avarage > > school leaver now understands more about physics then they did say 60 > > years ago. What else would you call an uptake in the level of > > understaning of sciences in a given sociaty if not intelegence? > > > On Apr 14, 6:04 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:05 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hey Chuck, > > > > > I think we can probaly say that better just means better in many > > > > aspects, so yes it may mean more socialy aware, and yes it may also > > > > mean envirmentlay aware and the rest of your list here. > > > > > My point is more holistic, taking the whole. Are we more socialy > > > > aware than say 100 years ago? Well perhaps, but maybe not, we'll have > > > > to look long and hard at our histories to answer that. > > > > Actually, I think technology and cultural influences have mediated human > > > behavior quite a bit. > > > > For instance, a remote village in the UK a thousand years ago might have > > > welcomed a Muslim with open arms. However, if that Muslim chose to cut the > > > village elders throat because he was an infidel then the village would > > > probably think twice about welcoming Muslims in the future. > > > > Today due to our technology and our interactions with other cultures we > > > know > > > that not all Muslims are fanatics. > > > > > However this may be a step forwards but in other areas have we taken > > > > steps backward? Taking the whole into account I can see little > > > > evidance of forward movement. The human animal is more or less the > > > > same as > > > > we have always been. > > > > Here, the subject of human morality and social behavior is so amorphous > > > that > > > there is no way to point to any specific facet and say "there is an > > > example > > > of forward progress". Is it forward progress for Italians or Turks or > > > Europeans or forward progress for the entire human race? If so, who is it > > > that defines and measures forward progress? Is my idea of forward progress > > > and yours the same? > > > > My point is that the topic is too broad to make any meaningful discourse > > > on. > > > > > I disagree. It is perfectly capable of humans to let go of both anger > > > > and jelousy. > > > > By 'letting go' I assume that you mean acquiring anger and/or jealousy > > > over > > > a certain situation and using self-control to let go. > > > > I didn't say anything about letting go in that context. What I was > > > referring > > > to was the hardwired emotions that we all have. Without anger, jealousy, > > > love, hate, empathy, we lose a significant portion of what defines us as > > > human. > > > > To quote: > > > > >> As long as we are human I think we will > > > >> suffer anger and jealousy. It's how we deal > > > >> with it as individuals and as a society that > > > >> determine the measure of growth. > > > > The thing about 1000 years ago and rape is you just don't know if that > > > > > is true, or if you do I would love to see any source material that has > > > > brought you to this conclusion. > > > > The issue isn't rape but the ethical framework that dictates behavior. > > > While > > > each culture has it's own framework in general ethics have matured over > > > the > > > centuries and that maturation has been reflected in the laws that govern. > > > > Typically most cultures are and historically, have been male dominated. > > > This > > > has led to a bias in the way individuals are treated. That dichotomy has > > > at > > > times required a higher standard of proof from the victim than from the > > > perpetrator. > > > > I really don't want to do the research to support my assertions but I'm > > > sure > > > it shouldn't be too hard to find specific examples if you're that driven. > > > > Perhaps I spoke disingenuisly if so forgive me. I have had many a > > > > > debate with our American brethren on gun ownership, and what I get > > > > most is protection from those who may brake into your house, mug you, > > > > attempt to take your loved ones, etc.. If it looks like fear, and > > > > smells like fear and sounds like fear, there is a very good chance > > > > that is it fear. > > > > Heh. Do you really believe that all American gun owners are frightened > > > rabbits hiding away in their homes just waiting for the bogey man to burst > > > through the front door? > > > > Guns have multiple uses as I assumed was clear in my post. One most > > > definitely is protection. There is a real possibility that someone could > > > break through the front door but it's not something that consumes every > > > thought for every moment of the day. > > > > As to hunting as you alude to here, rifles my good man or shot guns > > > > > for that, so you would agree that there is no need to own a hand gun > > > > or an automatic weapon? > > > > Have you ever fired a hand gun or automatic weapon? > > > > Many people have hand guns and automatic weapons for the same reason that > > > people own basketballs. Just as there is no good reason to fire at a > > > target > > > or a beer can, there is no good reason to shoot a basketball at a hoop - > > > and > > > yet we do. > > > > > Not more intelegent but more socialy intergrated? Nope I think that > > > > perhaps the opposite is true. > > > > This link is a thesis on the intelligence of prehistoric man: > > > >http://www.custance.org/old/earlyman/3ch1.html > > > > If you read it you'll see that our intelligence over the centuries hasn't > > > changed significantly. > > > > As to social integration. I am not referring to tolerance of other > > > cultures. > > > I am referring to the organization and function of individuals within a > > > single society. > > > > Look at world wide politics at this moment in time. France have just > > > > > made laws banning Muslim woman dressing in any kind of face covering. > > > > Social intergration? Today our Prime Minister was on the TV telling > > > > how he is planning on cutting down imergration into the UK from > > > > 100,000s to 10,000's. Social intergration? Nope it seems to me that > > > > we are entering into an age of misrust of those not of our own culture > > > > or heritage. > > > > I don't know anything about french law concerning dress but if the PM is > > > cutting down on immigration I'd guess that there are other motivations > > > besides cultural mistrust. Economic considerations probably being primary. > > > > > On the other hand, gene therapies, real movment in nuculare fusion via > > > > laser or plasma, stem cell tecnolgy, phones that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
