RP, thanks again for responding. I'll assume that you don't believe that god thinks conceptually the way humans do, correct?...no thinking using words either, right?
On Apr 22, 7:07 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates from Him and > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to be aware of > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not conceive of Him > to be conscious in the way that we are because our consciousness > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is conscious in > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of all as He > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth and death > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent can be > called an illusion. > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at all?...that all > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common notions of what > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one is doing? > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but rather the > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He doesn't look at > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , rather > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in His > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can really lay down > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather thinkers among > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and accepted by us > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider this life > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, [email protected] > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Hey Chuck, > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything has Gods hand > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant then God you are > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are concepts that > >> > help > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. Whether it be to > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to provide us a path to > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two differant plants to > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of it's own, but > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real way you are the > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all that it does, as > >> >> you have designed it. > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A much easier task > >> > than the original design. > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily accept the > >> > possibility > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I think that > >> > anything > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be omniscient to us. > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that any entity that > >> > could > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest resemblance to > >> > anything we describe as a god. > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to me: > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn lame. I mean come > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or set fire to a wax > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send me to hell for > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot piece of tail? > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a better way of > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an eternity. Even we lowly > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best way to convince > >> > 'em > >> > to mend their ways. > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then at a minimum he > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In this one there > >> > are an > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 > >> > stars > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that with all that stuff > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have better things to do > >> > than > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with a brand new > >> > bike on > >> > his birthday. > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of this would see us > >> > as > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is it God doing it ? > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the strength to do it. > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do anything wouldn't come > >> >> > > to > >> >> > > my mind. > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can you be more > >> >> > specific? > >> >> > Is he providing your mitochondria with more ADP or is he upping your > >> >> > serotonin or dopamine levels to give you a greater feeling of reward > >> >> > for > >> >> > your accomplishments? > > >> >> > And, if so, can you tell me exactly how he does that? I mean, is he > >> >> > causing > >> >> > re-uptake inhibition or is he actually producing a greater volume of > >> >> > chemical messengers at the synapse? > > >> >> > I guess if it's psychological strength it would have to be the latter. > >> >> > If it > >> >> > were greater physical strength then you'd probably be able to lift > >> >> > cars > >> >> > off > >> >> > the ground.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
