But organized religions have done this- run by mere mortals- chasing their own agenda- so that all is confusion. The"wisdom" of maturity is peeling away and peeking at universal truths- often by observing the course of lives, including our own. The element of surprise and twists of fate enchant me.
On Apr 26, 6:56 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hahahhah. You understand of course Chuck that amongst the hardest of > skills to obtain when starting to work in a realm that you have never > worked before is the lingo? > > I work in IT and my brother is a lighting engineer. Now lucky for me > I too spent some time working with theatre lights, and so when he and > I talk of his trade I understand a fair bit of what he talks about. > The shoe is not on the other foot, and so when I talk techy, I need to > act as a dictionary for him. I have a similar thing with my dad, > lucky for the pair of us my dad is highly intelegent and over the > years has managed to pick up some of the techy lingo. > > In short I understand what RP is saying, and when you begin to > understand the lingo you'll begin to see that his words come from a > place of ratioanlity. > > If you look at your last post, above this we can see from the language > you use that you have rationalised your concept of what God may be, by > humanising God. > > This must be a mistake mustn't it? To pidgeon hole the cretor as some > kind of super human, with human emotionals responses? > > Understandable but very rational? > > On Apr 22, 4:00 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Sorry if I sound insulting but this just sounds like a bunch of mystical > > obfuscation. You're not by chance trying to sell some self-help books or > > starting your own cult are you? > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates from Him and > > > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to be aware of > > > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not conceive of Him > > > to be conscious in the way that we are because our consciousness > > > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is conscious in > > > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of all as He > > > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth and death > > > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent can be > > > called an illusion. > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at all?...that all > > > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? > > > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common notions of what > > > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one is doing? > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but rather the > > > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He doesn't look at > > > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , rather > > > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in His > > > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can really lay down > > > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather thinkers among > > > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and accepted by us > > > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider this life > > > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, [email protected] > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> Hey Chuck, > > > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > > > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything has Gods hand > > > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant then God you are > > > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > > > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are concepts > > > >> > that > > > help > > > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. Whether it be > > > to > > > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to provide us a > > > >> > path > > > to > > > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > > > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two differant plants > > > >> >> to > > > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of it's own, but > > > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real way you are > > > the > > > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all that it does, > > > >> >> as > > > >> >> you have designed it. > > > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A much easier > > > task > > > >> > than the original design. > > > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily accept the > > > possibility > > > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I think that > > > anything > > > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be omniscient to us. > > > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that any entity that > > > could > > > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest resemblance > > > >> > to > > > >> > anything we describe as a god. > > > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to me: > > > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn lame. I mean > > > come > > > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or set fire to a > > > wax > > > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send me to hell > > > >> > for > > > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot piece of > > > tail? > > > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > > > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a better way of > > > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an eternity. Even we > > > lowly > > > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best way to > > > convince 'em > > > >> > to mend their ways. > > > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then at a minimum > > > he > > > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In this one there > > > are an > > > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's > > > >> > 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 > > > stars > > > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that with all that > > > stuff > > > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have better things to > > > do than > > > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with a brand new > > > bike on > > > >> > his birthday. > > > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of this would see > > > us as > > > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > > > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is it God doing > > > it ? > > > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the strength to do > > > it. > > > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do anything wouldn't > > > come to > > > >> >> > > my mind. > > > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can you be more > > > >> >> > specific? > > > >> >> > Is he providing your mitochondria with more ADP or is he upping > > > your > > > >> >> > serotonin or dopamine levels to give you a greater feeling of > > > reward for > > > >> >> > your accomplishments? > > > > >> >> > And, if so, can you tell me exactly how he does that? I mean, is > > > >> >> > he > > > >> >> > causing > > > >> >> > re-uptake inhibition or is he actually producing a greater volume > > > of > > > >> >> > chemical messengers at the synapse? > > > > >> >> > I guess if it's psychological strength it would have to be the > > > latter. > > > >> >> > If it > > > >> >> > were greater physical strength then you'd probably be able to lift > > > cars > > > >> >> > off > > > >> >> > the ground.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
