As to the language; yes I understand that different perspectives have different terminologies. However, there is a distinction between the terminology used and the clarity in which that terminology is communicated. If you use the word 'cable' to indicate 14 AWG wire and I use 'cable' to indicate CAT 5 we are using two different sets of terminology but we still understand each other because we are able to communicate our individual usages of the term.
When you refer to 'humanizing god' I don't have any idea what you are talking about. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:56 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > Hahahhah. You understand of course Chuck that amongst the hardest of > skills to obtain when starting to work in a realm that you have never > worked before is the lingo? > > I work in IT and my brother is a lighting engineer. Now lucky for me > I too spent some time working with theatre lights, and so when he and > I talk of his trade I understand a fair bit of what he talks about. > The shoe is not on the other foot, and so when I talk techy, I need to > act as a dictionary for him. I have a similar thing with my dad, > lucky for the pair of us my dad is highly intelegent and over the > years has managed to pick up some of the techy lingo. > > In short I understand what RP is saying, and when you begin to > understand the lingo you'll begin to see that his words come from a > place of ratioanlity. > > If you look at your last post, above this we can see from the language > you use that you have rationalised your concept of what God may be, by > humanising God. > > This must be a mistake mustn't it? To pidgeon hole the cretor as some > kind of super human, with human emotionals responses? > > Understandable but very rational? > > > > On Apr 22, 4:00 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sorry if I sound insulting but this just sounds like a bunch of mystical > > obfuscation. You're not by chance trying to sell some self-help books or > > starting your own cult are you? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:07 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > God is aware in the sense that He is all or all emanates from Him and > > > thus automatically He knows everything and doesn't have to be aware of > > > things like us mortals. In my opinion , we should not conceive of Him > > > to be conscious in the way that we are because our consciousness > > > entails duality or is encompassed within borders. He is conscious in > > > us , acts in us but in His separate state He is oblivious of all as He > > > alone is and creation being changeable and subject to birth and death > > > is just an illusion. In my view that which is not permanent can be > > > called an illusion. > > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:53 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > RP, are you suggesting that god is not conscious at all?...that all > > > > god is/does etc. is unconscious? > > > > > > In either case, are you using one of the more common notions of what > > > > conscious means…like being self aware and knowing what one is doing? > > > > > > On Apr 22, 1:45 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> In my view , creation was not a conscious act of God , but rather > the > > > >> universe emanated from the unconscious mind of God. He doesn't look > at > > > >> us consciously , doesn't connect results with actions , rather > > > >> everything is happening according to laws which exist in His > > > >> unconscious mind. I don't think that any scripture can really lay > down > > > >> definitions of good and bad with His authority , rather thinkers > among > > > >> us can lay down rules which appear logical to them and accepted by > us > > > >> as such. I don't believe in an after-life and consider this life > > > >> itself to be a spiritual experience. > > > > > >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Chuck Bowling > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:55 AM, [email protected] > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> >> Hey Chuck, > > > > > >> >> I guess it depends on what you belive God is. > > > > > >> >> If you believe that God is the creator then everything has Gods > hand > > > >> >> in it, if you further belive that God is omipitant then God you > are > > > >> >> exactly the way that God has designed you to be. > > > > > >> > I believe that god/goddess/gods etc. are icons. They are concepts > that > > > help > > > >> > people cope with their own frailties and inadequacies. Whether it > be > > > to > > > >> > blame bad things on, attribute good things to, or to provide us a > path > > > to > > > >> > continue our existence beyond the grave. > > > > > >> >> If you are a gardner, and you splice together two differant > plants to > > > >> >> gain a desird result, the plant does have a life of it's own, but > > > >> >> works in the way you have designd it to. So in a real way you > are > > > the > > > >> >> manipulator of that plants life, your hand is in all that it > does, as > > > >> >> you have designed it. > > > > > >> > Here I would say that the original design was altered. A much > easier > > > task > > > >> > than the original design. > > > > > >> > As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I readily accept the > > > possibility > > > >> > that some entity may have created this universe. And, I think that > > > anything > > > >> > with that kind of power would probably appear to be omniscient to > us. > > > >> > However, I also believe that it is VERY unlikely that any entity > that > > > could > > > >> > have created this reality would bare even the slightest > resemblance to > > > >> > anything we describe as a god. > > > > > >> > The reasoning for that seems fairly straightforward to me: > > > > > >> > Most of the gods we have created seem to be pretty damn lame. I > mean > > > come > > > >> > on. You want me to kill a goat, sacrifice a virgin, or set fire to > a > > > wax > > > >> > stick in your honor. REALLY??? And you're going to send me to hell > for > > > >> > eternity because I thought the neighbor's wife was a hot piece of > > > tail? > > > >> > Jeesh. As gods go you suck dude. > > > > > >> > Another thing. You would think that god would find a better way of > > > >> > correcting bad behavior than to fry people for an eternity. Even > we > > > lowly > > > >> > humans know that setting someone on fire is not the best way to > > > convince 'em > > > >> > to mend their ways. > > > > > >> > Lastly but not finally. If god created this reality then at a > minimum > > > he > > > >> > created one and possibly infinitely more universes. In this one > there > > > are an > > > >> > estimated 300 sextillion stars. That's > 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 > > > stars > > > >> > if you're looking for precision. You would think that with all > that > > > stuff > > > >> > floating around out there that he/she/it would have better things > to > > > do than > > > >> > make sure that little johnnies prayers are answered with a brand > new > > > bike on > > > >> > his birthday. > > > > > >> > My guess is that any entity capable of creating all of this would > see > > > us as > > > >> > a minor infestation of germs at best. > > > > > >> >> On Apr 20, 5:40 pm, Chuck Bowling < > [email protected]> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> > > Whatever work I do and the effort that I make , is it God > doing > > > it ? > > > >> >> > > No , I do it all , but It is God who gives me the strength to > do > > > it. > > > >> >> > > Without His strength even the resolve to do anything wouldn't > > > come to > > > >> >> > > my mind. > > > > > >> >> > Now when you say that God is giving you strength can you be > more > > > >> >> > specific? > > > >> >> > Is he providing your mitochondria with more ADP or is he upping > > > your > > > >> >> > serotonin or dopamine levels to give you a greater feeling of > > > reward for > > > >> >> > your accomplishments? > > > > > >> >> > And, if so, can you tell me exactly how he does that? I mean, > is he > > > >> >> > causing > > > >> >> > re-uptake inhibition or is he actually producing a greater > volume > > > of > > > >> >> > chemical messengers at the synapse? > > > > > >> >> > I guess if it's psychological strength it would have to be the > > > latter. > > > >> >> > If it > > > >> >> > were greater physical strength then you'd probably be able to > lift > > > cars > > > >> >> > off > > > >> >> > the ground.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >
