Actually, the cells that make up your body are dependent. They all depend on some unique aspects of their environment (your body) for survival.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote: > the human body is made of millions of independant living and dieing > cells that make me an independant life form constructed of independant > life > > On May 3, 10:03 am, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > > To answer in terms of clarity; A "collective" of any sort cannot exist > > "independently". Likewise, all that is has purpose and exists > > collectively and even though I may reject a notion as being "real" or > > "truth" it exists as real and truth for those who accept it as such. > > Perhaps even more real and true as a result of those who relent > > against such notions as it brings conflict and re enforces and > > solidifies for those who hold these beliefs. To accept all as being or > > taking the middle path is a good start to understanding a "collective > > consciousness" because it neither accepts or rejects any knowledge, > > wisdom or thought but just is, as life is! Not something to be > > possesed, life that is, because we cannot keep it we just are it. > > Gabby, Rigsy and Om hit on some great points btw and this is just my > > personal understanding of things so, for what it's worth, I hope I > > helped to answer your questions. > > > > On May 2, 12:57 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my mind about > collective > > > consciousness...rather a question...does the collective consciousness > exist > > > independently...what does it mean exactly...to put it crudely is it the > > > realisation that you are not the only phenomena..but what i feel > is....it is > > > very difficult to transcend ones own person...but is it > important....why do > > > we really get irritated with self absorbed or self seeking > people....why do > > > we condemn selfishness..in any sense...are we so insecure as to feel > > > deprived because of that ...or is it something more.. i hope i make > sense.. > > > and i hope you get waht i am trying to ask...i would like all to > > > answer...cos i really want to know.... > > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually changing, evolving > > > > and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an expanded "mind > > > > space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to be said > about > > > > rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be correct by the > > > > standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the bar" in > > > > consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct thinking of > > > > our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into thought and mind > is > > > > this not the desired effect? > > > > > > On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > might thought be colored by the mind that engages it ....what is > the > > > > realm > > > > > of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic and > > > > > rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing that > > > > thought...because > > > > > ....knowing...percieving something for the first time the mind will > > > > > automatically fall back on the things it thinks it does know.... > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking separates, > in > > > > > > subject-object relationship. > > > > > > Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought process. Thinking > about > > > > > > something > > > > > > which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a vicious > circle. You > > > > > > cannot think > > > > > > of anything you have not known. Such thinking can never take you > to the > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > But when you direct your thought to something (say yourself) > which you > > > > have > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > visualized, the thought loses its own characteristics and limits, > and > > > > > > stands > > > > > > revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. Thought is thus > reduced > > > > into > > > > > > its essence. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
