Gabby…, I fear you do not understand my motivation nor even what I was doing.
We can both claim ‘blindness’ in the other forever. The result of such attacks is that nothing rational is communicated… it just turns into the blind leading/shouting at the blind. This is exactly why we disallow Ad Hominem (http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/ arguments.html#hominem ) arguments. http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye/web/posting-guidelines In case it is important to anyone at all, the link was to the source of my words about: “…distinction between differing philosophies is ‘reasonable to make’. “ This is one of our standards…to provide our sources. Neil did. I did. On May 6, 6:46 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > There it is back again. You didn't get anything I tried to bring across. > Tell me, Orn, what are you to possess the necessary sense of blindness that > Neil seems to be lacking? > > You could have posted a wiki link on Geronimo > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo) to exemplify how well embraced > eastern and western cultures can live across times in perfect innocence > without any scepticism. > > And what did you do? You posted a wiki link to the name of the person whose > thoughts had been introduced to the discussion by Neil. Unbelievable. Your > embracing the world must indeed feel impossible to describe. > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:45 AM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > As to there being ‘no view’, in a sense this is correct. Having ‘no > > position’ is one of the principles of consciousness…even though as > > this list proves, we all are posters for holding firm to positions! > > > The thing with ‘no position/view’ is that this doesn’t imply the lack > > of awareness nor even the actual lack of discrimination. It is a > > unique state that embraces everything and everyone all at once… > > something quite a bit easier to imply than to describe! > > > Of course even the philosopher Senge (Gorampa) concluded that a > > distinction between differing philosophies is ‘reasonable to make’. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorampa > > > The apparent difference between east/west philosophy needn’t be as > > wide as many make it. Yes Neil, it would be nice if Rene’s skepticism > > as being a necessary stop on the road. However, as far as I can tell, > > it is but an aborted short trip in the opposite direction. > > > And, yes, ‘all kinds of arguments can always be made’. > > > Welcome old friend! > > > On May 5, 3:56 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > One might go 'Gorampa' on this. Gorampa's particular brand of Madhyamaka > > > philosophy is defined by his understanding of the relationship between > > the > > > two truths, the use of negation, the role of logic, and proper methods of > > > philosophical argumentation. His work was banned, one reason I've been > > > looking. .His views regarding the two truths and negation inform a > > process > > > whereby the Mādhyamika begins with logic and analysis, but ends in a > > state > > > of nonconceptuality, Gorampa contends that there can be no differences > > > between Mādhyamikas with respect to their final view. There cannot be > > > different types of nonconceptuality; freedom from conceptual constructs > > is > > > freedom from conceptual constructs. The final, ultimate view is > > actually > > > no view at all. > > > > This might seem as much use as as chocolate teapot. I suspect there is > > some > > > way for us to commune non-conceptually long before any 'guru state' is > > > achieved and that we need this for knowledge that can shift us from the > > > current interregnum. One might take Descartes as meaning one has to > > doubt > > > all to arrive at anything of value, and I rather like the notion that > > this > > > is non-conceptual. I like the sway of these Indian and Tibetan > > arguments, > > > yet think they serve to remind us how much we exclude from our arguments > > > in forgetting what the self does in argument, rushing us to 'decision', > > > forgetting all kinds of argument can always be made (Pyrhho in western > > > stuff).
