It reminds me of 'guilty by association', where group activity is
perceived as culpable. If one identifies with the group and some ill is
identified as their deeds, what one would feel is collective guilt I
think. A tarnished sense of prestige toward the group one identifies
with. There is also the campaign or political pressure component where
members of the group are all treated as guilty of the worst no matter
their involvement, this I think is an over generalization. I think the
point is to integrate the concept of shame into cultural discourse when
large numbers are involved, as a check against the raging xenophobia and
selective blindness to alternative (outside) perspectives.
On 5/10/2011 2:38 PM, pol.science kid wrote:
Since we are talking of conformity and other sociological bents of
man...my thoughts went to collective guilt...i have never really
understood that term .... does guilt remain guilt in its true essesnce
if it is collective...i do not speak about a small group...i
mean...perhaps a tribe...rather vague...but do tell me what you think....
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:41 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I thought fish were entranced by shiny objects.
It's just an adaptation of modern culture- no different really from
being kidnapped, bartered or dragged off to a cave when you think
about it.
On May 9, 9:34 pm, Ash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> As a general rule to winning over someone you just find the need and
> fill it, but the more enterprising among us (the low) will
create a need
> where there is none by mesmerizing. Like a bird entranced by a shiny
> object, 'Ooh, gotta have it!' An interesting effect in pop
culture is
> glamour, men and women alike.
>
> On 5/9/2011 9:16 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Actually, I have thought the chief way a boy/man/society reins
a girl/
> > woman is by getting her tipsy. She can cry sober tears later.
>
> > On May 9, 6:07 am, "[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>"<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> >> Ahh yes indeed, I think that we are all capable of bowing to peer
> >> presure, and m,y experiances ofmy own youth showed me that
such peer
> >> pressure is presure inded.
>
> >> On May 7, 3:24 am, the taoist shaman<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> >>> you know , i probably see things that way because im 25 and
the youth
> >>> around me seems easily influenced which is probably typical ,
> >>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> No I disagree with that. Most people think for themselves,
perhaps not
> >>>> too many think deeply enough(whatever the hell that means),
I think
> >>>> most people question before following, and that very few
indeed follow
> >>>> blindly.
> >>>> On May 6, 2:22 am, the taoist shaman<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>> i think what i ment with the original sheepole quote is
that most
> >>>>> people dont think for themselves , let media/gov. do it
for them .
> >>>>> Ash wrote:
> >>>>>> Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last
time I checked
> >>>>>> we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the
mentality of the
> >>>>>> herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and
our talented
> >>>>>> rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go
against the
> >>>>>> norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias.
> >>>>>> On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote:
> >>>>>>> your statments contradict each other , besides we are
not animals ,
> >>>>>>> well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to
time but .....
> >>>>>>> On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> How can you expect governance unless you can control
the population?
> >>>>>>>> What else is new? :-)
> >>>>>>>> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it?
> >>>>>>>> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines of
the natural
> >>>>>>>> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-)
> >>>>>>>> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist
shaman<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or
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