I understand. Your definition. While I differentiate between God and lord. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:04 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote:
> Ahh Gabs this is where Pat and RP are likely to disagree with me. > > God would not force Gods will upon us but asks that we choose instead > to abandon our will in favour of Gods will. This is the will of God. > > There can be no greater prayer than 'Not my will O lord, but yours'. > > On Jun 1, 12:41 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > The con-science (this one is for you, Molly :)) that you introduce is not > > merely a biological by-product of human evolution as can be seen in many > > maturity processes, is it? If it is bound to the "I" factor, the way you > > postulate you thesis, there must have been an active control setting > > involved. Is this what you call the Will of God? Where does this leave > the > > early moral educators then? Where is their long term benefit? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:54 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Man has such a thing as conscience which develops from early childhood > > > , a man must do what is good according to his conscience whether it is > > > an impulse or a matter of reasoning; most of the time bad impulses > > > give only short time gains , if you sacrifice your instincts you gain > > > long term benefits. > > > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:25 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > We need our impulses as much as we need our reasoning abilities. > There > > > > are good and bad impulses. There is good and bad reasoning. > > > > > > Who determines what is longterm or short term? History and lives are > > > > replete with unintended consequences. > > > > > > We are not the only concern of God, you know! That would be hubris. I > > > > read the other day that intuition is the remnant of animal instinct > > > > since we have so dulled our natural senses. I also noted a stroll by > a > > > > mallard and his mate for a couple of evenings along my driveway that > > > > was so sweet- as sweet as any human couple. He was very polite > > > > waddling a few paces behind while she nibbled the seed casings fallen > > > > from boulevard trees. They retired to the creek. > > > > > > On May 31, 12:31 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> The Will of God is not visible and one's nature is not a single > > > >> entity--good or bad , rather one's nature contains both good and bad > , > > > >> the super-ego and the id. It is in one's hand to follow the good > > > >> prompting of his nature or the evil in him. It is your choice , do > > > >> good in the interest of longterm benefit or the bad for short-term > > > >> gains.As to the Will of God , He has made you a partner in His Will > , > > > >> you have to choose, act with reason or follow your impulses like a > > > >> madman. > > > > > >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Pat < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > On May 31, 5:24 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> Whatever a man does he is bound to do as the Will of God is > supreme, > > > >> >> but a person is not a robot. The " I " is an active agent and it > is > > > >> >> the individual who taking control over his nature does good in > this > > > >> >> world and on letting himself go does the bad. Strength of resolve > is > > > >> >> inherent in every person , some use it a lot, others let their > > > >> >> impulses rule most of the time. It is in man's hand to keep his > > > nature > > > >> >> under control , and again in his hand to let it run amok. > > > > > >> > I agree with one exception. Actually, it's more of an inclusion. > An > > > >> > individual must discover their nature before taking control of it. > > > >> > Then the rest follows...good or bad. For example, I fully believe > > > >> > that Charles Manson DID discover his true nature and STILL > inflicted > > > >> > great injuries against humanity. The same for Hitler. Sometimes, > > > >> > knowing one's nature does not prevent one from doing evil but > leads > > > >> > them to do it. In other words, if it is God's will that X be done > and > > > >> > X is perceived by most people to be evil, X will still be done, as > it > > > >> > is the will of God.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
