Actually, while the specific use of gold as a medicinal cure I was contemplating has its origins long ago, similar to that of ayurvedic medicine ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda ), no doubt it was ‘purified’ in one way or another similar to what is today called “gold salts”, a misnomer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_salts )
Regardless, the analogy should not be ignored and simply relegated to being fleeced. Further, merely reviewing the man behind the curtain’s era and views and ignoring the fullness of human history, millennia longer, appears to ignore way too much. And, while no doubt meant as humor, the abuse of the concept of quantity needs to be highlighted. You, it seems would rather have $28 worth of silver instead of $400 of gold for the reason that if it drops in value, you have lost less ignoring the obvious possibilities of the retention of value and/or its increase! Funny and droll! Again, we ignore the core of the topic though. In context, one must ‘bite the bullet’ that there is no ‘silver bullet’, even with “J. M. J.” written on it, when it comes to such things unless one returns to the Oracle of Delphi for advice. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/silver+bullet Now when it comes to the triune, belief(s) is/are not required especially not in St. Paul. Such a notion/gnosis existed long before him and/or J. C. I leave the research of the ancient Greeks, Jews and others to the reader. Even though living post Saul/Paul, I find the description of the triune by Plotinus to be most instructive. http://www.iep.utm.edu/plotinus/ http://classics.mit.edu/Plotinus/enneads.html Since even some rather strict Christians attribute the notion of the Trinity to ancient Greek Philosophy and in particular of ‘logos’ to “reasonings, or thoughts, of God” rather than to a person, perhaps this mystical contemplation can more easily become known. http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/philosophy.htm Of course, they *do* attribute such ancient Greek philosophy (knowledge) as being “inspired by Satan”. As an aside, the author and/or transcriber of the above article did mistakenly assign the life of Plotinus to the BCE era even though the dates printed only make sense if seen as being of the CE. On Jun 8, 6:04 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jun 7, 4:31 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pat, on a purely monetary level, gold retains its value. See this > > entry on “Laws of Nature”:http://www.iep.utm.edu/lawofnat/ > > > On a deeper level Pat, it is my understanding that the attraction to > > gold is its analogy with things spiritual. It is rare, incorruptible > > (doesn’t rust), pure, represents "the One" etc. It also is found in > > numerous theological and metaphysical stories throughout history. > > > See: > > Paracelsus and other alchemists including the Egyptians. > > > Plato on > > gold:http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sunrise/23-73-4/me-gfk3.htm > > > The “Golden Mean”, “Golden Rule”, “Golden Fleece” etc. are well known > > to humanity as using the notion of gold as an analogy for balance, > > purity, perfection, the divine, the eternal etc. > > > Some within Christianity address it (gold) along with the > > Trinity:http://www.iep.utm.edu/trinity/ > > > From a Theosophical site – includes numerous historical references to > > gold including its association with the sun and solar light etc. > > Associated with truth: > > > Truth is the trial of itself > > And needs no other touch, > > And purer than the purest gold, > > Refine it ne'er so much. > > > Associated with highest ‘spiritual longings’: > > > Rise up, Cassandra, > > Do not lie and weep. > > Raise up thy golden heart, > > Let it grow within and leap . . . > > Along the arteries of heaven > > Into that luminous place, > > Where all men are brothers, > > Members of the Solar Race. > > >http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/articlesSymbol.php?d=Gold-0582.html... > > > In fact, it is a real recognition for those who can perceive it…see: > > > “Golden Flower” (Chinese > > Taoists)http://www.rexresearch.com/goldflwr/goldflwr.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.o... > > > As an aside, it is also used in some medicinal traditions for cures. > > > So Pat, our ‘golden boy’, what say you now about gold? (not "fool's > > gold") ;-) > > Those cures are mostly gold salts, as gold itself would, if taken > internally, only causes heavy metal poisoning (obviously depending on > quantity and number of times taken). It was, for the most part, a > rhetorical question, so I greatly appreciate the fullness of > response!! > > As for its incorruptibility (its non-rusting), gold oxide (Au2O3) is > the most prevalent form OF gold. As for 'purer than pure gold'...the > assayist (assayer?) is, obviously, a nutter unless they can provide me > with a nice little chunk of 24.5 carat gold. As an Aries, I think its > fair to say that we've all been fleeced by gold. > > Does it really retain its value? This goes back to the Wizard of Oz > (book, not film) and the question of which is better: the gold > standard or the silver standard (the yellow-brick road vs. the silver > slippers). Dorothy was constantly being told to follow the Yellow- > Brick Road but it was the silver slippers that had the real power to > take her home. If Gold is running at 400 per ounce and silver at 28 > per ounce, if both drop by 50%, with gold, I've lost 200 but wit > hsilver only 14. Personally, I'd prefer to lose only 14, thus my vote > goes for the silver slippers. No Werewolves have ever been killed by > golden bullets!! ;-) > > Also, if gold is associated with the Trinity, then we KNOW its not > worth it. The Trinity: three that is one, but is three, but is, > really, only one that is three appearing to be one and three and one > appearing to be three-in-one. Ahh, this is the mystery of believing > Paul of Tarsus. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 5:45 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 6, 6:33 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > While the Chinese government may still retain some power, overall the > > > > issue as it is around the globe is corporations. The SOEs (State Owned > > > > Enterprises) in China are on the decline and relatively few remain. > > > > These SOEs are being replaced by ‘Listed’ (stock mark) > > > > ones.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-owned_corporation#People.27s_... > > > > > A few Chinese corporations are even setting up shop in the USA because > > > > about all expenses (except wages) are much less here these > > > > days.http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/news/international/china_america_full... > > > > > Of course, on the other hand, US (in name at least) corporations have > > > > been operating in China for decades and the list is quite > > > > substantial.http://www.jiesworld.com/international_corporations_in_china.htm > > > > > What I see is that multinationals are the real global power with few > > > > exceptions. > > > > > As a side issue, this isn’t great news for our planet and its > > > > environmental concerns. > > > > > As to ‘owning the USA’, the majority of Chinese economists would > > > > rather own > > > > gold.http://www.chinastakes.com/2009/3/survey-over-two-thirds-of-chinese-e... > > > > Which itself is amazing. Why do humans rate gold so much? Shiny, > > > malleable, metal. Is it purely the colour? Silicon is pretty in its > > > raw form and has, in CPUs, given us far more than gold has. > > > > > On Jun 6, 6:05 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 6, 12:41 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Sweet can't wait to read it mate. > > > > > > The Chinese aren't going to like it though. I've named them as Magog > > > > > (the big question is: Who is Gog?). I strongly suspect that it will > > > > > be banned in China because of that; however, in my specific advice to > > > > > China, I state much more (and I do praise them in certain areas, too) > > > > > and I know that the leadership will read it and THEY are the intended > > > > > audience (of the advice!), so their ban won't affect that aspect in > > > > > any way. I warn them that, if they continue to buy the U.S. treasury > > > > > (by buying the Treasury Notes and Bills as they are doing), that they > > > > > are buying a huge responsibility and have reminded them that, when > > > > > America fights, it has plenty of history to demonstrate it can fight > > > > > dirty: Guerilla warfare against the British rank and file, handing out > > > > > blankets infected with smallpox to Native Americans and being the only > > > > > company to ever use nuclear weapons, when they KNEW no one could > > > > > retaliate in kind are the examples I laid out. America may not be > > > > > happy with that either, but it's all history. I want China to know > > > > > that owning America's pocket might not be as advantageous as they may > > > > > think. And, of course, I remind them that, whilst their van is > > > > > strong, there rear is weak and then outline the way to defeat China in > > > > > battle. Of course it's nasty (biological!) but I want China to > > > > > realise that they are not invulnerable and that they should not act on > > > > > the premiss that they are invincible. if they are going to own > > > > > America, then they need to act wisely and with due consideration or > > > > > face an unruly bunch who are armed to the teeth, which is not > > > > > something I want to see in the future (that kind of conflagration, > > > > > that is). > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 10:14 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 1:08 pm, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is finished then Pat? > > > > > > > > Not quite. I have to finish the 'Conclusion' section and finish > > > > > > > off > > > > > > > an appendix that offers advice to specific countries and I'd like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > add a glossary. Once those are done, I'll start re-reading it > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the top and add or modify as I go. When that's finished, repeat > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > step and THEN it should be done. 2-3 months max!!! First person > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > ran into who did publishing of any kind already has a draft copy > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > reading and is practically begging me to let him publish it. > > > > > > > So...all > > > > > > > is going very well indeed. Cheers!! > > > > > > > > > On May 31, 1:53 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 11:09 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It get harder than even the following standard philosphy > > > > > > > > > > Lee: > > > > > > > > > > Since a Cartesian substance is a thing that is ontologically > > > > > > > > > > independent (Principles I:51–52), a complete thing is an > > > > > > > > > > ontologically > > > > > > > > > > independent thing. When we clearly and distinctly perceive > > > > > > > > > > mind and > > > > > > > > > > body to be complete, we know that they are substances. When > > > > > > > > > > we still > > > > > > > > > > clearly and distinctly perceive them to be substances after > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > and distinctly perceiving them apart from each other, we > > > > > > > > > > know that > > > > > > > > > > they are not the same substance under different > > > > > > > > > > descriptions. On this > > > > > > > > > > view, Descartes holds that mind and body are ontologically > > > > > > > > > > independent > > > > > > > > > > substances, and their distinctness consists in their > > > > > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > > > > continue to exist even after God separates them.[36] > > > > > > > > > > As you might remember, in my theory, thre is only energy. > > > > > > > > > Yet that > > > > > > > > > energy works on three different levels: the physical, > > > > > > > > > consciousness > > > > > > > > > and the purely abstract. This represents three ways of energy > > > > > > > > > expressing itself as a different Cartesian 'substance', even > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > in fact, it is all the same substance. A simple half-twist > > > > > > > > > and a turn > > > > > > > > > around a dimensional corner and the underlying string can > > > > > > > > > work in > > > > > > > > > three ways at once. Descartes and I agree on most things and > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > another, although I have the advantage of all the science > > > > > > > > > after Rene!! > > > > > > > > > > > An alternative interpretation of > > ... > > read more »
