Beautiful. "Seeds feed awhile on the ground, then lift up into the sun.
So you should taste the filtered light and work your way toward wisdom with no personal covering. That's how you came here, like a star without a name" Rumi, from "Say I Am You" On Jul 20, 11:24 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > "...Show me something better - in > any sense of trope." - archytas > > "Don't turn away. Keep your gaze on the bandaged place. That's where > the light enters you." > --Rumi > > On Jul 20, 6:34 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Orn - away from some considerations of enlightenment - it strikes me > > some times a return to the more primitive is enlightened. Banking > > could do with being returned to a primitive form, as it is stringing > > us along in a false religion of high mathematics that prevent > > investment in what people need. We can consider ourselves as a > > hologram projected from the edge of the universe, but in this do we > > take on the physics that suggests this? Rigsby is incapable as a > > "mere woman" in some unenlightened minds and cultures. I judge them > > wrong - though this does not leave me without compassion until the > > point it is obvious they don't want to shift position. There is > > paradox in this - though one I sense stuck only in lack of logical > > exposition - for I am very non-evaluative until a certain point. One > > can imagine 'reverse enlightenment' in which, after the decision such > > such light and glow, I see Rigsby as fit only for ironing and certain > > other tasks - but it doesn't work for me even though I would challenge > > the speed of light. I like equality. Show me something better - in > > any sense of trope. > > > On Jul 16, 7:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the response paradox. > > > > I’m not sure that we raised nor intended to raise a question. > > > Apparently you see one though. With this assumption along with your > > > opinion about an *unresolved* question about ‘quality of mind’, what, > > > for you, could/would resolve said question? > > > > On Jul 16, 5:15 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > More relationship than locality, OM; yes, movies we watch; i was re- > > > > framing; our inner lives are a result of our neuro-physiological > > > > architecture, yet non-reductive. Molly (and you) raise an interesting > > > > (and as yet unresolved IMO) question regarding the quality of sheer > > > > presence of mind. > > > > > On Jul 15, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Paradox, IF I grok your question re: paradox, apparently … since you > > > > > broached the notion. > > > > > > As to ‘movie’ etc., perhaps you are asking as to its locality? Here > > > > > I’m guessing (clearly not knowing) that you mean actual movies we > > > > > watch. If not, your question is way too esoteric for me. An unpacking > > > > > would be of benefit in such a case. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > OM > > > > > > On Jul 15, 11:33 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Could this be the ultimate paradox, i wonder (no reference > > > > > > intended), > > > > > > o'mind; where is the "movie"? celluloid or storyline? Both? > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 5:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > When it comes to Mind, awareness, thought, brain, subconscious, > > > > > > > True > > > > > > > Self etc., it is all too easy to get lost in semantics and > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > beliefs based on limited experience. > > > > > > > > Some skeptical materialists demand that, in a sense, we are our > > > > > > > thoughts…our thoughts are entirely electrochemical > > > > > > > mechanisms…thus, we > > > > > > > are only physical ‘beings’. This is understandable. There is > > > > > > > plenty in > > > > > > > current day realms of science to keep them busy. On the other > > > > > > > hand, > > > > > > > for those who have experienced that which is not thought, the > > > > > > > awareness prior to thought or the unity of this emptiness and > > > > > > > relative/ > > > > > > > subjective thinking or the infinite, radiant oneness that is the > > > > > > > Ultimate Ground of existence, simple mental constructs are known > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > what they are. > > > > > > > > Molly has this one right…’right’ in the sense of knowing a larger > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 5:09 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, > > > > > > > > feeling, > > > > > > > > sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will > > > > > > > > preoccupy > > > > > > > > itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > life. There is more to me. All ways more. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Molly, > > > > > > > > > > Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to > > > > > > > > > keeping it > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs? > > > > > > > > > > So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no > > > > > > > > > running. Like > > > > > > > > > without the brain there would be no mind. > > > > > > > > > > It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; > > > > > > > > > intelect a > > > > > > > > > funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the > > > > > > > > > brain, so as I > > > > > > > > > say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to > > > > > > > > > study the > > > > > > > > > mind, yes even our own minds. > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of > > > > > > > > > weird and > > > > > > > > > wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes > > > > > > > > > place in > > > > > > > > > the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > still all taking place in my brain. > > > > > > > > > > Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because > > > > > > > > > something about > > > > > > > > > my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in > > > > > > > > > a way > > > > > > > > > that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll > > > > > > > > > notice > > > > > > > > > things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From' > > > > > > > > > > Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place > > > > > > > > > independant of > > > > > > > > > my brain? > > > > > > > > > > Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a > > > > > > > > > thing. Yet > > > > > > > > > dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind > > > > > > > > > since my > > > > > > > > > birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non > > > > > > > > > dyslexic > > > > > > > > > would not consider, I need to think about things in certian > > > > > > > > > ways to > > > > > > > > > ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life. > > > > > > > > > > What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my > > > > > > > > > experiances, > > > > > > > > > includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the > > > > > > > > > meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of > > > > > > > > > this has > > > > > > > > > taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not > > > > > > > > > encountered > > > > > > > > > one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can > > > > > > > > > use it to > > > > > > > > > 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken > > > > > > > > > more than a > > > > > > > > > few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to > > > > > > > > > remind > > > > > > > > > yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical > > > > > > > > > reactions of > > > > > > > > > the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to > > > > > > > > > normal. > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course > > > > > > > > > it is, > > > > > > > > > and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant > > > > > > > > > meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical > > > > > > > > > changes in the > > > > > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > > > > Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest > > > > > > > > > possibel > > > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that > > > > > > > > > the mind > > > > > > > > > exists. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the > > > > > > > > > > brain) could > > > > > > > > > > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory > > > > > > > > > > system, liver, > > > > > > > > > > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body > > > > > > > > > > ends, > > > > > > > > > > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it > > > > > > > > > > continues in > > > > > > > > > > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an > > > > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > > > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think > > > > > > > > > > me out of > > > > > > > > > > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, > > > > > > > > > > you may not > > > > > > > > > > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My > > > > > > > > > > mind is > > > > > > > > > > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - > > > > > > > > > > and is non > > > > > > > > > > local, and that is the infinite aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Molly says: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or > > > > > > > > > > > "aware" of > > > > > > > > > > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? > > > > > > > > > > > There is more > > > > > > > > > > > than the mind in each and every one of us' > > > > > > > > > > > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the > > > > > > > > > > > brain, no > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
