There are many things and forms of enlightenment ,, just depending upon what you will accept as enlightenment.. your choice..
a while back the idea occurred to me "When you think you know it all , there is more." Allan On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:36 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > wrote: > Paradox, IF I grok your question re: paradox, apparently … since you > broached the notion. > > As to ‘movie’ etc., perhaps you are asking as to its locality? Here > I’m guessing (clearly not knowing) that you mean actual movies we > watch. If not, your question is way too esoteric for me. An unpacking > would be of benefit in such a case. > > Thanks! > OM > > > On Jul 15, 11:33 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > Could this be the ultimate paradox, i wonder (no reference intended), > > o'mind; where is the "movie"? celluloid or storyline? Both? > > > > On Jul 14, 5:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to Mind, awareness, thought, brain, subconscious, True > > > Self etc., it is all too easy to get lost in semantics and personal > > > beliefs based on limited experience. > > > > > Some skeptical materialists demand that, in a sense, we are our > > > thoughts…our thoughts are entirely electrochemical mechanisms…thus, we > > > are only physical ‘beings’. This is understandable. There is plenty in > > > current day realms of science to keep them busy. On the other hand, > > > for those who have experienced that which is not thought, the > > > awareness prior to thought or the unity of this emptiness and relative/ > > > subjective thinking or the infinite, radiant oneness that is the > > > Ultimate Ground of existence, simple mental constructs are known for > > > what they are. > > > > > Molly has this one right…’right’ in the sense of knowing a larger > > > view. > > > > > On Jul 14, 5:09 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling, > > > > sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the > > > > eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will > preoccupy > > > > itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to > > > > life. There is more to me. All ways more. > > > > > > On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Molly, > > > > > > > Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping > it > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like > > > > > running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs? > > > > > > > So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. > Like > > > > > without the brain there would be no mind. > > > > > > > It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a > > > > > funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so > as I > > > > > say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the > > > > > mind, yes even our own minds. > > > > > > > I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have > > > > > throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and > > > > > wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place > in > > > > > the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is > > > > > still all taking place in my brain. > > > > > > > Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something > about > > > > > my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way > > > > > that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my > > > > > spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice > > > > > things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From' > > > > > > > Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant > of > > > > > my brain? > > > > > > > Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. > Yet > > > > > dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since > my > > > > > birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non > dyslexic > > > > > would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to > > > > > ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life. > > > > > > > What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could > > > > > say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these > > > > > experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances, > > > > > includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the > > > > > meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has > > > > > taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not > encountered > > > > > one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise. > > > > > > > Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other > > > > > pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can > > > > > happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it > to > > > > > 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than > a > > > > > few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to > remind > > > > > yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions > of > > > > > the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal. > > > > > > > It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is, > > > > > and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant > > > > > meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in > the > > > > > brain. > > > > > > > Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest > possibel > > > > > way. > > > > > > > The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the > mind > > > > > exists. > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) > could > > > > > > be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, > liver, > > > > > > kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends, > > > > > > unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in > > > > > > another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in > the > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an > awareness > > > > > > beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me > out of > > > > > > my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may > not > > > > > > have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the > > > > > > general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind > is > > > > > > located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is > non > > > > > > local, and that is the infinite aspect. > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Molly says: > > > > > > > > > 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or > "aware" of > > > > > > > the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is > more > > > > > > > than the mind in each and every one of us' > > > > > > > > > That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, > no > > > > > > > working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see > your own > > > > > > > reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to > study your > > > > > > > own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see > no > > > > > > > problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you > use to > > > > > > > study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything? > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RP - > > > > > > > > > > Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to > the discovery > > > > > > > > of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being > perfect > > > > > > > > food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under > fire this > > > > > > > > last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber > for all > > > > > > > > uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of > plants, can > > > > > > > > it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and > merit this > > > > > > > > personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much > harm? I do > > > > > > > > now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like > five of > > > > > > > > them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That > is how I > > > > > > > > figure it. > > > > > > > > > > Much Peace, > > > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of RP Singh > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply > a state > > > > > > > > of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be > attained > > > > > > > > through concentration or substance - use. It is the mind > which is > > > > > > > > aware and as the mind is finite , whatever it is aware of is > also > > > > > > > > finite. The very fact that the so-called transcendental state > can be > > > > > > > > experienced through use of entheogens casts a doubt about its > > > > > > > > spiritual nature. A person experiences such a state and when > he comes > > > > > > > > out of it is just his ordinary self. God-state cannot be > experienced > > > > > > > > by any being as it is beyond experience and can only be > understood. We > > > > > > > > find it difficult to accept that we are mortal and hence > believe in > > > > > > > > re-incarnation etc. The fact is that the " I " has nowhere > to go on > > > > > > > > the death of the organism , it is simply an attribute of life > and is > > > > > > > > no more on the death of the body , and is thus just an " > illusion " . > > > > > > > > This is , of course , my reading of the matter and can be > erroneous as > > > > > > > > my reason is not infallible and is subject to my > limitations.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
