I have been through some experiences some call enlightenment. I know how I feel and these experiences changed how I view the world as well as respond to it. To me it is not something you acquire by following a formula or swallowing drugs but is a true gift between you and creation Allan
On 21 jul. 2011, at 03:34, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn - away from some considerations of enlightenment - it strikes me > some times a return to the more primitive is enlightened. Banking > could do with being returned to a primitive form, as it is stringing > us along in a false religion of high mathematics that prevent > investment in what people need. We can consider ourselves as a > hologram projected from the edge of the universe, but in this do we > take on the physics that suggests this? Rigsby is incapable as a > "mere woman" in some unenlightened minds and cultures. I judge them > wrong - though this does not leave me without compassion until the > point it is obvious they don't want to shift position. There is > paradox in this - though one I sense stuck only in lack of logical > exposition - for I am very non-evaluative until a certain point. One > can imagine 'reverse enlightenment' in which, after the decision such > such light and glow, I see Rigsby as fit only for ironing and certain > other tasks - but it doesn't work for me even though I would challenge > the speed of light. I like equality. Show me something better - in > any sense of trope. > > On Jul 16, 7:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks for the response paradox. >> >> I’m not sure that we raised nor intended to raise a question. >> Apparently you see one though. With this assumption along with your >> opinion about an *unresolved* question about ‘quality of mind’, what, >> for you, could/would resolve said question? >> >> On Jul 16, 5:15 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> More relationship than locality, OM; yes, movies we watch; i was re- >>> framing; our inner lives are a result of our neuro-physiological >>> architecture, yet non-reductive. Molly (and you) raise an interesting >>> (and as yet unresolved IMO) question regarding the quality of sheer >>> presence of mind. >> >>> On Jul 15, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >> >>>> Paradox, IF I grok your question re: paradox, apparently … since you >>>> broached the notion. >> >>>> As to ‘movie’ etc., perhaps you are asking as to its locality? Here >>>> I’m guessing (clearly not knowing) that you mean actual movies we >>>> watch. If not, your question is way too esoteric for me. An unpacking >>>> would be of benefit in such a case. >> >>>> Thanks! >>>> OM >> >>>> On Jul 15, 11:33 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> Could this be the ultimate paradox, i wonder (no reference intended), >>>>> o'mind; where is the "movie"? celluloid or storyline? Both? >> >>>>> On Jul 14, 5:34 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> When it comes to Mind, awareness, thought, brain, subconscious, True >>>>>> Self etc., it is all too easy to get lost in semantics and personal >>>>>> beliefs based on limited experience. >> >>>>>> Some skeptical materialists demand that, in a sense, we are our >>>>>> thoughts…our thoughts are entirely electrochemical mechanisms…thus, we >>>>>> are only physical ‘beings’. This is understandable. There is plenty in >>>>>> current day realms of science to keep them busy. On the other hand, >>>>>> for those who have experienced that which is not thought, the >>>>>> awareness prior to thought or the unity of this emptiness and relative/ >>>>>> subjective thinking or the infinite, radiant oneness that is the >>>>>> Ultimate Ground of existence, simple mental constructs are known for >>>>>> what they are. >> >>>>>> Molly has this one right…’right’ in the sense of knowing a larger >>>>>> view. >> >>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:09 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> I am suggesting that unless you clear the mind of thought, feeling, >>>>>>> sensation, belief, image - and allow it to be filled only with the >>>>>>> eternal presence that is you - your experience and mind will preoccupy >>>>>>> itself with the limits of mind and nothing more. There is more to >>>>>>> life. There is more to me. All ways more. >> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 7:42 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> Hey Molly, >> >>>>>>>> Yes indeed there are many parts of the human dedicated to keeping it >>>>>>>> alive. >> >>>>>>>> The mind is a function of the brain though isn't it, rather like >>>>>>>> running is a function of the legs and the heart and the lungs? >> >>>>>>>> So without the legs, heart and lungs, there will be no running. Like >>>>>>>> without the brain there would be no mind. >> >>>>>>>> It is not hard to see that we use our intelect to study; intelect a >>>>>>>> funtion of the mind, which in turn is a function of the brain, so as I >>>>>>>> say I see no problems in seeing that the mind is used to study the >>>>>>>> mind, yes even our own minds. >> >>>>>>>> I don't agree that there exists an awareness beyond mind, I have >>>>>>>> throughout my short span of life experianced all sorts of weird and >>>>>>>> wonderfull things, yet still I say that all awareness takes place in >>>>>>>> the mind. When I have had periods of expansion of the mind, it is >>>>>>>> still all taking place in my brain. >> >>>>>>>> Think of it this way,I am dyslexic and this is because something about >>>>>>>> my brain causes certain senseory inputs to be inturpreted in a way >>>>>>>> that differs from the non dyslexic. This is most evidant in my >>>>>>>> spelling and if you read through enough of my posts you'll notice >>>>>>>> things like the way I often write 'Form' instead of 'From' >> >>>>>>>> Would you suggest that my dyslexcia stems form a place independant of >>>>>>>> my brain? >> >>>>>>>> Nope I don't think it would be correct to suggest such a thing. Yet >>>>>>>> dyslexcia is a huge part of who I am, it has shapped my mind since my >>>>>>>> birth, it forces me to approach things in ways that the non dyslexic >>>>>>>> would not consider, I need to think about things in certian ways to >>>>>>>> ensure that my dyslexcia does not hinder my day to day life. >> >>>>>>>> What I'm saying here is that my dsylexic experiances which we could >>>>>>>> say take place in my mind, are a function of my brain. If these >>>>>>>> experiances take place in my brain, so have all of my experiances, >>>>>>>> includeing all of the trances, and dream states, all of the >>>>>>>> meditations, all of the high magiks and ceremonies, all of this has >>>>>>>> taken place in my brain, the home of my mind. I have not encountered >>>>>>>> one iota of evidance nor experiance to suggest other wise. >> >>>>>>>> Perhaps though the most telling is in the use of LSD, or any other >>>>>>>> pschyotropic substance. When 'tripping' all sorts of things can >>>>>>>> happen, you can just enjoy the buzz for what it is, you can use it to >>>>>>>> 'open the doors of perception', but all who have partaken more than a >>>>>>>> few times know that to stave off a 'bad trip' it is useful to remind >>>>>>>> yourself that it is just the drug, and when the chemical reactions of >>>>>>>> the drug in your brain whare off, then all goes back to normal. >> >>>>>>>> It is possible to use LSD to expand the mind? Yes of course it is, >>>>>>>> and chemicaly speaking the same result from a differant >>>>>>>> meathod(meditiaon for example) cause the same chemical changes in the >>>>>>>> brain. >> >>>>>>>> Almost finished now honset, so to reiterate in the shortest possibel >>>>>>>> way. >> >>>>>>>> The mind is seated in the brain, there is no other place that the mind >>>>>>>> exists. >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 11:20 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> I do not follow you Lee. The same (that you say of the brain) could >>>>>>>>> be said of the heart, circulatory system, respiratory system, liver, >>>>>>>>> kidneys etc. If they are not working, the life of the body ends, >>>>>>>>> unless extended mechanically. We don't know if it continues in >>>>>>>>> another form - or I could say, our knowing is not contained in the >>>>>>>>> mind. >> >>>>>>>>> While the brain is not the same as the mind, there is an awareness >>>>>>>>> beyond mind. If you have not experienced it, you may think me out of >>>>>>>>> my mind. If you have never had a completely quiet mind, you may not >>>>>>>>> have had the opportunity to go beyond it. (and I mean you in the >>>>>>>>> general sense of everyone, not you in particular, Lee) My mind is >>>>>>>>> located in me, with my thoughts, feelings and sensations - and is non >>>>>>>>> local, and that is the infinite aspect. >> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 9:01 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Molly says: >> >>>>>>>>>> 'it is the mind that is aware - if you are witnessing, or "aware" of >>>>>>>>>> the contents of you mind, what part of you is that? There is more >>>>>>>>>> than the mind in each and every one of us' >> >>>>>>>>>> That is also the mind Molly. The seat of self is in the brain, no >>>>>>>>>> working brain no self. When you look in the mirror you see your own >>>>>>>>>> reflection so it is of course possible to use your eyes to study your >>>>>>>>>> own eyes, why not then use the mind to study the mind? I see no >>>>>>>>>> problems with this at all, indeed what other organ would you use to >>>>>>>>>> study the mind, or for that matter the study of anything? >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 6:20 am, "Tony Orlow" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear RP - >> >>>>>>>>>>> Do you disagree with partaking of the herb which led us to the >>>>>>>>>>> discovery >>>>>>>>>>> of 0, and of oo, and of god and science? With the seeds being >>>>>>>>>>> perfect >>>>>>>>>>> food, and the resins being the lost vitamin, being so under fire >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> last century of war, and being the greatest source of fiber for all >>>>>>>>>>> uses, and being one of the strongest and most beautiful of plants, >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> it be bad? If I have partaken as long as I can remember, and merit >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> personal response from RP Singh, can it have done me too much harm? >>>>>>>>>>> I do >>>>>>>>>>> now the job of a 20-something, at almost 50, and do it like five of >>>>>>>>>>> them. I can't be doing anything too...oo wrong, right? That is how I >>>>>>>>>>> figure it. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Much Peace, >> >>>>>>>>>>> Tony >> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RP Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:12 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Minds Eye" >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Enlightenment >> >>>>>>>>>>> The state of enlightenment , or self-realization , is simply a state >>>>>>>>>>> of awareness like the dream -state or deep-sleep , and can be >>>>>>>>>>> attained >> >> ... >> >> read more »
