We have baseball. :-)
On Jul 28, 4:42 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > Lol. Yeah, i've seen some innovation in rugby, for sure. > > Well, cricket is one sport that i am passionate about (at least as far > as i can be passionate about sport). It's at once a game of supreme > patience and incredible reaction speed. You have the batsman who, with > the right "guard" and standing perfectly motionless, is practically > impenetrable, against a bowler and 10 strategically placed teammates > who patiently and cleverly induce the batsman to make a "false" stroke > with ever so subtle changes in the speed, flight, movement, trajectory > and/or spin of the ball. When it happens, it can be a beautiful > thing :) > > On Jul 28, 7:23 am, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Until I came to Europe I never was a fan of any sport, since I have become > > a fan of rugby ,, ever since I watched a man fall on the ball with the > > other team piled on top. But his legs were sticking out of the pile. So > > his mates (6) grabbed his legs and used him like a wheel barrow. As for > > cricket,, I have never gotten it wrapped around my mind. > > Allan > > > On 27 jul. 2011, at 17:42, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I thought that Relativity was pretty revolutionary, actually; less > > > "fundamental" than perhaps String Theory, but frame shifting for sure. > > > > So, you're a rugby man, eh? I'm more cricketer myself; all that > > > physical contact would have strained my control beyond breaking > > > point :) > > > > Btw, your ballet's not at all lacking :) > > > > On Jul 26, 5:35 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> The point, Para, is not that Einstein is bull, but that interpreting > > >> Relativity as 'new physics' always was. I did my dancing on the rugby > > >> field so you can expect my ballet to be clumsy! Chemistry is more my > > >> line, but Ludwig and Snell satisfy me that the 'paradigm' stuff is > > >> wonky. I suspect we are collectively very dumb as an alternative to > > >> enlightenment concepts - most people don't learn much. Thus they > > >> remain prey to the Old One. Indeed, it's the propaganda of the Old > > >> One that prevents enlightened society, aimed as it is at the dumb. I > > >> believe this may be what leaves us with only the worst of democracy. > > >> There has been no enlightenment,only some space developed away from > > >> the old Idols. > > > >> On Jul 26, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> Not sure of what you mean. Do you want e-books to be controlled in > > >>> content? Take history, for a long time it was written by the winners/ > > >>> colonists, etc. until the "losers" started publishing their stories/ > > >>> recollections. A good example is "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". > > >>> There are countless books/ personal confessionals (St. Augustine, > > >>> Newman, C.S. Lewis, etc.) that have inspired others- perhaps readied > > >>> them for a personal journey of their own. The "enlightenment" is not > > >>> always religious/spiritual- there are the arts of man/women which also > > >>> inspire an individual/society. There is also propaganda and deceit as > > >>> a path to power. > > > >>> On Jul 25, 11:13 am, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> LOL. Yeah I am still here, > > >>>> Enlightenment is a fascinating subject, to me it always will be an > > >>>> experience(s) yet there are may book thumpers thumpers can sight > > >>>> article and books many volumes justifying what they have to say. When > > >>>> you get discussing enlightenment you begin discussing personal > > >>>> experience not that of others. > > >>>> Putting it simply in my opinion your personal experiences will stand > > >>>> on their own .. > > >>>> Allan > > > >>>> On 25 jul. 2011, at 16:30, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> Thing is archytas, though i dont altogether feel "on board" with your > > >>>>> critical insights, your arguments are resonant and very persuasive :) > > > >>>>> Nice pirouette with "optimism" :) > > > >>>>> You think Einstein's work was "bull"? Steady archytas, we have the one > > >>>>> "heretic" here already...alan? :) > > > >>>>> Thanks for the insights. > > > >>>>> On Jul 24, 6:12 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> That's more or less what I mean Para - I certainly no rationalist per > > >>>>>> se. The free rider problem is very complicated though, especially > > >>>>>> since accumulated wealth is now the major 'player'. I suspect > > >>>>>> neurocracy and collective stupidity as points for optimism - if we're > > >>>>>> all planning this mess we're in deep trouble! What may be depressing > > >>>>>> is that most people wouldn't want better times - we're so used to > > >>>>>> false promises there are no stories about what we'd be doing in > > >>>>>> better > > >>>>>> times. I doubt anything rational is other than what emerges as > > >>>>>> explanations that have been in dialogue, but you quickly learn, doing > > >>>>>> science, that most people can't hack doing the observations and > > >>>>>> measurements, let alone internal scrutiny. Some seem to have > > >>>>>> developed > > >>>>>> ways with words (sometime figures) almost at a kind of disjuncture > > >>>>>> with reality there to witness. I tend to prefer notions like > > >>>>>> hospitality anbd obligation to ones like charity (Davidson and others > > >>>>>> in 'radical translation') and stronger notions like communicative > > >>>>>> action 'extirpating ideology'. We do seem to get left with choice at > > >>>>>> some point, but these are often overdone as in 'mechanistic Newton > > >>>>>> versus new physics Einstein' (bull) - people just don't work hard > > >>>>>> enough. Like Orn I've long been fascinated with 'there must be more > > >>>>>> than this' - but for me the point is there always is more, along with > > >>>>>> a lot of disappointment that I'm rarely interested in what others > > >>>>>> are. > > > >>>>>> On Jul 24, 9:56 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> You're nothing if not passionate, archytas :) > > > >>>>>>> You cry when Warrington lose? Archytas my friend, you really ought > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> get out more :) > > > >>>>>>> Much of what you say here is good social democratic stuff, though i > > >>>>>>> suspect that a concept of "rational optimism" is something of a > > >>>>>>> misnomer. I admire your optimism, not so sure about the rationality; > > >>>>>>> in Nature, there is no such thing as equality, as you know; and > > >>>>>>> "manufactured" equality only works in rational choice if you fix the > > >>>>>>> "free rider" problem; dont know that we have? In any event, quite > > >>>>>>> asides from the intuitive appeal, how do we know that equality in > > >>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>> one of these "states" that "are inexplicable or cannot be > > >>>>>>> demonstrated", that you refer to? To be fair, your argument drifts > > >>>>>>> closer to equality in obligation than to equality in right; which > > >>>>>>> certainly is less problemmatic, certainly laudable. > > > >>>>>>> You think we're all "collectively stupid"? That doesn't sound very > > >>>>>>> optimistic, archytas :) > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 7:56 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Equality is difficult if all we do is play with definition. I see > > >>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>> fairly subjectively as a kind of promise from me to do my best by > > >>>>>>>> others when the opportunity presents - but it's also connected with > > >>>>>>>> more social rules in place to keep us straight. Equality didn't > > >>>>>>>> make > > >>>>>>>> me a better half-back than Alex Murphy, but I got in a few sides as > > >>>>>>>> hooker. We all took the same match-fees back then. My sister was > > >>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>> good an athlete, but there was no professional sport for women. Of > > >>>>>>>> course, it's not in these trivial areas that equality needs to > > >>>>>>>> work. > > >>>>>>>> I'm afraid I've met too many 'jerkoffs of inner glow' to spend to > > >>>>>>>> much > > >>>>>>>> time looking at bandages. We have a bad record on 'inner > > >>>>>>>> reliance' in > > >>>>>>>> any simple form - and for that matter I'm currently watching my old > > >>>>>>>> team being slaughtered in the open! I might wonder what Wigan have > > >>>>>>>> been fed on - but we have drug testing. Some form of equality > > >>>>>>>> makes > > >>>>>>>> it possible for games like this to take place, even if one side > > >>>>>>>> appears so much better than the other. We are not all born with > > >>>>>>>> equal > > >>>>>>>> abilities to play rugby league, and its not that kind of equality > > >>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>> interests me (uniformity). There is a manufactured equality > > >>>>>>>> involved > > >>>>>>>> that does. > > >>>>>>>> That there are ways to experience and more than the 5 senses we > > >>>>>>>> generally acknowledge seems clear enough, but much of the stuff we > > >>>>>>>> come out with trying to explain this is dire. In epistemology > > >>>>>>>> (broadly defined) it regularly becomes clear that you can't achieve > > >>>>>>>> some clear and grounded system and that assumptions you didn't know > > >>>>>>>> you were making come out. This more or less leaves me with > > >>>>>>>> structured > > >>>>>>>> realism, but this leaves plenty of scope. Most of the time I can > > >>>>>>>> tell > > >>>>>>>> whether evidence claims are not phony in such a system - this > > >>>>>>>> sadly is > > >>>>>>>> not true of introspectively divined light and glow. The long > > >>>>>>>> history > > >>>>>>>> of this, taken externally, is not good. I can find light and glow, > > >>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>> I still find it hard not to cry watching Warrington lose. Neither > > >>>>>>>> matter in a larger sense of things. Equality doesn't collapse on > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> obvious issue that we are not all equal if that equality is > > >>>>>>>> built-into > > >>>>>>>> the public domain (it is increasingly obvious this isn't the case > > >>>>>>>> because of the operation of wealth in law and education). I'm a > > >>>>>>>> rational optimist in that this is not the best of all possible > > >>>>>>>> worlds > > >>>>>>>> and we can do better. I suspect the fix for modern narcissism is > > >>>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>> under the bandages of the Old One and that doing our best for each > > >>>>>>>> other is a matter even more 'blindingly obvious'. > > > >>>>>>>> Direct > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
