Yes Allan, I agree that my commentary is general and that laws vary. What I said was related to the use of the term murder in the English language only and not associated to any specific area. Each area would require the knowledge of local law to know when killing was murder or not.
Your specific example is indicative of how this is relative. Some areas consider it against the law to kill anyone who breaks into your home while others do not. Therefore, if I were writing newspaper copy for each case, the use of the term murder would be appropriate (and correct) in the former and not in the latter. In both cases the notion of premeditation wouldn’t enter into the story. On a little more philosophical and hypothetical note, we don’t have enough information to know whether the person in your example who breaks into your house actually meant to kill you so while you would still say you were murdered the notion of premeditation may or may not apply On Aug 7, 6:44 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Orn I did not say it incorrectly it is semantics what ever your view is > just general.. and laws vary. an example if you charged into my home with > your guns blazing and I popped or killed you.. that is all I have do is kill > you. but on the other hand if you kill me then it is murder because it was > a premeditated act.. > Allan > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:35 AM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Allan, while murder may be premeditated, almost all definitions > > include the notion of it being a crime… of being against the law. To > > kill when it isn’t against the law is merely killing…not murder. > > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=murder&ls=a > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=kill&ls=a > > > Yes, this is a truth of semantics only and perhaps not of a lot of > > importance; however, since we only have our words to play with here, > > maybe we can use them correctly and in mutual agreement… > > > On Aug 6, 10:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > sorry Orn murder is killing with premeditation, any one deciding to kill > > > some one is committing murder. the state may not be accountable because > > it > > > is a non being .. but those that make the decisions (sentences) and > > > carrying out the act are.. "I was just doing my job." is not an excuse. > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:25 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > To be a little pedantic here, to murder is to kill when such killing > > > > is against the law. Killing is just killing. So, by definition, > > > > murder, being against the law is 'wrong'...at least by some societal > > > > rules. > > > > When a person is put to death for a crime, it is killing but not > > > > murder. Is this too 'wrong'? > > > > > On Aug 6, 10:20 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Death is something very hard to emotionally deal with,, I am glad to > > see > > > > > you talking about their death among friends.. to me murder is > > always > > > > > wrong. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:32 PM, pol.science kid < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > hi there everyone... well... this recent... in fact happened > > > > > > yesterday... incident... rather unfortunate...has had me thinking > > ...A > > > > > > family murdered... just behind our block.... A maid..in fact our > > > > > > neighbors maid...and her two sons..aged 12 and 15.... The > > woman...had > > > > > > a reputation... she was promiscous... and it is said the murderer > > was > > > > > > one of her jealous lovers... What is more chilling than the > > > > > > murder...is the insensitivity towards it.. the cold reaction.... i > > > > > > cant help thinking that if was in fact her employers who were > > murdered > > > > > > that case and reaction wouldve been quite different... leave alone > > her > > > > > > socio economic standing... even the fact that she was much treated > > > > > > like a neighborhood slut... some people seem to think she had it > > > > > > coming... that her lifestyle deserved such an end... A life > > ended... > > > > > > three lives.. brutally.... but the speed with which everything has > > > > > > been swept in.... is life so cheap after all... that no one had > > time > > > > > > to shed a tear... so what that she was percieved as a nasty > > person.. > > > > > > even nature wise... so what if she had been dishonest.... her death > > > > > > needs acknowledgement.... her murder in fact... and the innocent > > > > > > children... Murder is a violation of the highest degree... torture > > and > > > > > > rape come after it.... how did we become so insensitive... some > > human > > > > > > murdered at close quarters it is but an inconvinience for all... no > > > > > > one will seek justice for her... no one wept for her save one > > distant > > > > > > cousin..... Are we so accustomed to crime now..... > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
