Orn the idea is to try and show the difference between killing and murder and how to draw the line and that is a difficult question,, just semantics trying to examine an idea Allan
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes Allan, I agree that my commentary is general and that laws vary. > What I said was related to the use of the term murder in the English > language only and not associated to any specific area. Each area would > require the knowledge of local law to know when killing was murder or > not. > > Your specific example is indicative of how this is relative. Some > areas consider it against the law to kill anyone who breaks into your > home while others do not. Therefore, if I were writing newspaper copy > for each case, the use of the term murder would be appropriate (and > correct) in the former and not in the latter. In both cases the notion > of premeditation wouldn’t enter into the story. > > On a little more philosophical and hypothetical note, we don’t have > enough information to know whether the person in your example who > breaks into your house actually meant to kill you so while you would > still say you were murdered the notion of premeditation may or may not > apply > > > On Aug 7, 6:44 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Orn I did not say it incorrectly it is semantics what ever your view > is > > just general.. and laws vary. an example if you charged into my home > with > > your guns blazing and I popped or killed you.. that is all I have do is > kill > > you. but on the other hand if you kill me then it is murder because it > was > > a premeditated act.. > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:35 AM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan, while murder may be premeditated, almost all definitions > > > include the notion of it being a crime… of being against the law. To > > > kill when it isn’t against the law is merely killing…not murder. > > > > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=murder&ls=a > > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=kill&ls=a > > > > > Yes, this is a truth of semantics only and perhaps not of a lot of > > > importance; however, since we only have our words to play with here, > > > maybe we can use them correctly and in mutual agreement… > > > > > On Aug 6, 10:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > sorry Orn murder is killing with premeditation, any one deciding to > kill > > > > some one is committing murder. the state may not be accountable > because > > > it > > > > is a non being .. but those that make the decisions (sentences) and > > > > carrying out the act are.. "I was just doing my job." is not an > excuse. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:25 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > To be a little pedantic here, to murder is to kill when such > killing > > > > > is against the law. Killing is just killing. So, by definition, > > > > > murder, being against the law is 'wrong'...at least by some > societal > > > > > rules. > > > > > When a person is put to death for a crime, it is killing but not > > > > > murder. Is this too 'wrong'? > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 10:20 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Death is something very hard to emotionally deal with,, I am > glad to > > > see > > > > > > you talking about their death among friends.. to me murder is > > > always > > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:32 PM, pol.science kid < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi there everyone... well... this recent... in fact happened > > > > > > > yesterday... incident... rather unfortunate...has had me > thinking > > > ...A > > > > > > > family murdered... just behind our block.... A maid..in fact > our > > > > > > > neighbors maid...and her two sons..aged 12 and 15.... The > > > woman...had > > > > > > > a reputation... she was promiscous... and it is said the > murderer > > > was > > > > > > > one of her jealous lovers... What is more chilling than the > > > > > > > murder...is the insensitivity towards it.. the cold > reaction.... i > > > > > > > cant help thinking that if was in fact her employers who were > > > murdered > > > > > > > that case and reaction wouldve been quite different... leave > alone > > > her > > > > > > > socio economic standing... even the fact that she was much > treated > > > > > > > like a neighborhood slut... some people seem to think she had > it > > > > > > > coming... that her lifestyle deserved such an end... A life > > > ended... > > > > > > > three lives.. brutally.... but the speed with which everything > has > > > > > > > been swept in.... is life so cheap after all... that no one had > > > time > > > > > > > to shed a tear... so what that she was percieved as a nasty > > > person.. > > > > > > > even nature wise... so what if she had been dishonest.... her > death > > > > > > > needs acknowledgement.... her murder in fact... and the > innocent > > > > > > > children... Murder is a violation of the highest degree... > torture > > > and > > > > > > > rape come after it.... how did we become so insensitive... some > > > human > > > > > > > murdered at close quarters it is but an inconvinience for > all... no > > > > > > > one will seek justice for her... no one wept for her save one > > > distant > > > > > > > cousin..... Are we so accustomed to crime now..... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
