Edward if you can direct or influence the topic and destination of your dream are not controlling your dream? Allan
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:36 AM, edward mason <[email protected]>wrote: > "As an aside, very few can direct their dreams in the dream state. This > alone is about 1/3 of our life." > Very interesting concept, to say thte least. And I would have > to agree to point of uncertainty, however, another edge to this > conceptn is the fact that while not easily > able to control the dream actions in a dream, one can quite easily > influence the topic: (choosing a destination) > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:31 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]> wrote: > > As an aside, very few can direct their dreams in the dream state. This > > alone is about 1/3 of our life. > > > > On Aug 2, 12:53 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Of the various choices before you , you choose to do that which your > >> nature decides upon at any given moment. You may let go an opportunity > >> now to fiercely grasp at a later moment. The choice, of course , is > >> yours but you are under the control of various motivating forces > >> which, taking control of your very free will, make you do that which > >> the strongest force within you at a given moment wants to be done. > >> That which you do today you will not do tomorrow and all with a > >> seemingly free will. You can con yourself by opening and closing your > >> grip that you are the master , but you are not. It is only your > >> reasoning processes which are at play , which take control over you at > >> times just as your basic desires. When you think it appears that you > >> are thinking freely but actually it is some part of your personality > >> which is carrying you along. If you take psycho-tropic drugs you will > >> think and act in a bizarre manner but with what to you is free will. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I don't understand how some can say we don't have free will. You can > >> > choose to do anything you want at any given time. How is that not free > >> > will? > >> > >> > On Aug 2, 12:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> "We have access to a technology that would have looked like sorcery > in > >> >> Descartes's day: the ability to peer inside someone's head and read > >> >> their thoughts. Unfortunately, that doesn't take us any nearer to > >> >> knowing whether they are sentient. "Even if you measure brainwaves, > >> >> you can never know exactly what experience they represent," says > >> >> psychologist Bruce Hood at the University of Bristol, UK. If > >> >> anything, brain scanning has undermined Descartes's maxim. You, too, > >> >> might be a zombie. "I happen to be one myself," says Stanford > >> >> University philosopher Paul Skokowski. "And so, even if you don't > >> >> realise it, are you." Skokowski's assertion is based on the belief, > >> >> particularly common among neuroscientists who study brain scans, that > >> >> we do not have free will. There is no ghost in the machine; our > >> >> actions are driven by brain states that lie entirely beyond our > >> >> control. "I think, therefore I am" might be an illusion. > >> >> So, it may well be that you live in a computer simulation in which > you > >> >> are the only self-aware creature. I could well be a zombie and so > >> >> could you. Have an interesting day." (from a recent New Scientist) > >> > >> >> We range over debates in free will and what it is to be human. So far > >> >> we haven't established free will or even that we are not merely > >> >> avatars in 'something else's game'. > >> > >> >> I wonder whether there are advantages in considering ourselves as > >> >> creatures limited by programming and also capable of it? > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
