Pessimism is a form of realism/the "odds". Self judgement can be flawed- the postives or the negatives.
Some see flowers as a symbol of death- especially cut blooms. Some things in life are unforgiveable. If not, why have religions invented eternal Hell? The world, extreme punishments? Contemplate long enough and you might spin a memoir! I think Weil meant something else. I don't know her very well, but think she was discouraged overall with the world. What is Truth? On Aug 18, 3:24 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Pessimism does not lead to any change. > > Self - doubt floats on self-regret and self-conflict. > > Yes, one can mix flowers with excreta... > > But most people still remember their more beautiful self when they see > a flower. > > Most people do feel unburdened when they forgive, and that is what > forgiveness means. > > Most people examine their self and improve, and love themselves for > having done so. > > Most people become clear when they self - contemplate... if they do > not exult pre-maturely. > > For most of us truth is important, our own, not purity. > > On Aug 18, 5:42 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Aren't you talking about the Will (drive)? Emotions have a range/span > > that are normal. > > > Self-examination could lead to narcissism. > > Forgiveness could lead to victimhood. > > Self-contemplation could lead to fuzzy thinking. > > > Any human purpose can be side-railed. > > > "Life does not need to mutilate itself in order to be pure." Simone > > Weil > > > On Aug 16, 9:39 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > OM is right about us being with emotions all the time. > > > It could be one that is best described as flared up > > > or it may one that is calm, peaceful, forgiving. > > > > The difference between the two is the nature of drives > > > they respectively raise within ourself : > > > one, to thoughtless action, and > > > the other, to thoughtfulness and contemplation. > > > > Self-examination requires ( and induces ) calmness. > > > Forgiveness requires ( and induces ) love. > > > Self-contemplation requires ( and induces ) peace. > > > > On Aug 17, 3:45 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There must be laws on the books to cover riots, looting, damage to > > > > property. This isn't the first era of a poor economy for Britain. Has > > > > networking changed the formulas? > > > > > Another factor is immigration and clash of cultures and religions. > > > > What if once cheap labor is no longer needed? It seems to me- though I > > > > may be wrong- that immigrants rarely return to their original homeland > > > > and bring their new skills and education forward in third world > > > > countries. And social programs may quash desires to roll up their > > > > sleeves once again in their homeland. > > > > > I learned this weekend from a discussion that one cannot fire upon a > > > > thief- it's only permitted when one's life is in jeopardy. That seems > > > > a thin line- wait till the bloke attempts to kill you! Our laws have > > > > probably changed a great deal- I doubt cattle rustlers were treated so > > > > mercifully. > > > > > As to anger, I think shop owners and home dwellers and townsmen had/ > > > > have every right to be blistering mad at the looters and rioters. > > > > > I made a long list of non-lethal protective measures. Baseball bats > > > > were not on the list as they can crack a skull and kill someone. > > > > > On Aug 16, 6:09 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Paradox, yes agreat frind of mine tells me the same sorta thing, that > > > > > morality without emotion is somehow lacking. It is partly due to his > > > > > words and my respect for him that I have started this thread. > > > > > > However as Rigsy points out to evict a looter from his council home > > > > > for his looting does not adress any problems, nor does it serve as > > > > > adiquate punishment, and would I think only make things worse. > > > > > > This course of actions is a fine example of thinking/talking about > > > > > morality whilst angry, and is to my mind no good at all. > > > > > > I maintian that morality is best sreved without emotions attached, can > > > > > you show my why I am wrong? > > > > > > On Aug 14, 5:31 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Deep question, Lee; not an easy one. One who suffers injury must > > > > > > have > > > > > > the right of redress, be that restitution or retribution, or else we > > > > > > live in Hobbes's state of nature. The question of balance and > > > > > > proportionality is the proper remit of the law courts and great > > > > > > minds. > > > > > > Where the injury in question falls outside the purview of the > > > > > > collective good or the legal framework to that end, morality and > > > > > > values must act to constrain the individual in respect of balance > > > > > > and > > > > > > proportionality; that is why it's so very vital that we understand > > > > > > what we do when we tinker with the foundations and structures of a > > > > > > society's moral compass. > > > > > > > Personally, i've always felt that emotions are the fuel for the > > > > > > directed mind. > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 1:28 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > So as we should all know we have had quite a week of it here in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > UK. Facebook and many other web places have been inundated with > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > sorts of sillyness. > > > > > > > > Calls to bring back national service, calls to evict those found > > > > > > > guilty of the rioting and looting, calls to stop their benifits. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > have witnessed some of my good good friends spew out all mannor of > > > > > > > sillyness in their anger. > > > > > > > > I have procliamed in the past that all questions of morality are > > > > > > > better served sans emotions and I see much this week that has only > > > > > > > firmed this view. > > > > > > > > In order to discover though the validity of this thought tell me > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > you agree, or not and why? People of ME sway my opinion with your > > > > > > > wise words. > > > > > > > > What good can come of deciding upon a course of action whilst > > > > > > > holding > > > > > > > onto your anger? > > > > > > > > I ask of course as a self confessed recovered angry man.- Hide > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
