Hey Om, Hah yeah words and how we use them huh.
On Aug 31, 11:51 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > The thing is that Neil's notion of 'technology' goes far beyond the > common usage of the term. I seldom have a grasp of his understanding > of the word. > > On Aug 31, 3:39 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I have my doubts about that also Neil. > > > A long time ago in my youth I was an avid reader of the comic 2000AD. > > One of the weekly slots was entitled Thargs Future Shocks. > > > It dealt with how mankind handled the future and how it also does not > > cope. I can see that as the speed of technological progress increases > > that humanity becomes increasingly unable to keep up. Think of it > > similar to the speed of evolution. > > > You are right technology has the capacity to do so much for us, but in > > doing so is the speed of change too much for us to handle? > > > I work in IT, and have done so now for almost 20 years, I can say for > > sure than whenever we effect a change it initialy is not liked at > > all. It takes some months for people to get used to new kit, new > > software, new ways of working with their IT, before they will admit > > that the change is better. > > > As a speices I think we are not yet used to qucik changes. > > > On Aug 30, 7:42 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am not hopeful on the grand plan - more that new technology may help > > > with what have been chronic inabilities amongst humans. > > > > On Aug 30, 12:28 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > None. Nature protects itself from having all the people flattened to the > > > > size of a page. > > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > I think it takes calamity to get humanity to all be reading the same > > > > > page. The question remians how much calamity does it require? > > > > > > On Aug 30, 11:51 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't matter how many people agree or disagree on which paper > > > > > > or > > > > > idea. > > > > > > That's why I don't share the hope for a change of world view. One > > > > > exchanges > > > > > > world views, that's how it works. > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Hahah Neil a grand plan but one that stands not a chance I think. > > > > > > > > How does one fight agianst ignorance except throught teaching? > > > > > > > > But of course some wont be taught, some cannot be taught, some > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > reble against teachings not similar to their own belifes of > > > > > > > knowledege. > > > > > > > > In short the capacity for reason in us humans are not the same > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > individual to individual. All ideas are bound to attract > > > > > > > followers > > > > > > > and disenters, that is just the way it is and I do not see any > > > > > > > evidance that it will quickly change. > > > > > > > > What will happen when these protocols are found, and only three > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > agree to them? > > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 9:46 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I was thinking more about how we could identify ignorance in > > > > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > > to see if we could find ways of putting it right in ways > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > doesn't unless you are open to a change of world view. We > > > > > > > > somehow > > > > > > > > need the world-view protocols attached to what is said to know > > > > > > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > being argued or decided. One can spot consensus protocols in > > > > > > > > cockroaches so why not in humans? They may act to kill > > > > > > > > dialogue. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 6:57 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps with a long enough view and a wide enough perspective, > > > > > Molly, > > > > > > > > > its perhaps not so much the emergence of a new order but a > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the guard. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social > > > > > orders. > > > > > > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes > > > > > > > > > > infinite > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new > > > > > orders > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in > > > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or > > > > > > > > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > full > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - > > > > > > > > > > > though I > > > > > did > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago > > > > > > > > > > > - it > > > > > > > casts a > > > > > > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only > > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of > > > > > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than > > > > > > > > > > > 'knee-jerk > > > > > > > reactions' > > > > > > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are > > > > > > > > > > > weak > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to > > > > > 'ignorant > > > > > > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our > > > > > > > > > > > societies > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a > > > > > > > > > > > way far > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very > > > > > > > frustrating > > > > > > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and > > > > > > > > > > > resourceful > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - > > > > > > > > > > > democracy is > > > > > > > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > elitist > > > > > > > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with > > > > > ideas' > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > again > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide > > > > > > > > > > > quoted > > > > > text > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
