It doesn't matter how many people agree or disagree on which paper or idea. That's why I don't share the hope for a change of world view. One exchanges world views, that's how it works.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]>wrote: > Hahah Neil a grand plan but one that stands not a chance I think. > > > How does one fight agianst ignorance except throught teaching? > > But of course some wont be taught, some cannot be taught, some will > reble against teachings not similar to their own belifes of > knowledege. > > In short the capacity for reason in us humans are not the same from > individual to individual. All ideas are bound to attract followers > and disenters, that is just the way it is and I do not see any > evidance that it will quickly change. > > What will happen when these protocols are found, and only three people > agree to them? > > On Aug 27, 9:46 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was thinking more about how we could identify ignorance in reaction > > to see if we could find ways of putting it right in ways argument > > doesn't unless you are open to a change of world view. We somehow > > need the world-view protocols attached to what is said to know what is > > being argued or decided. One can spot consensus protocols in > > cockroaches so why not in humans? They may act to kill dialogue. > > > > On Aug 25, 6:57 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Perhaps with a long enough view and a wide enough perspective, Molly, > > > its perhaps not so much the emergence of a new order but a changing of > > > the guard. > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the chaos. We are > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable social orders. > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes infinite in > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in experience > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, new orders > are > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at the same > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite in action. > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see or feel is > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo... > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our media was full > of > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new issue and > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - though I did > see > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above link to the > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years ago - it > casts a > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only history > repeating > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of emotional > response > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than 'knee-jerk > reactions' > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond many people > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies are weak at > the > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very well - hence > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong using highly > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to 'ignorant > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our societies and > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a way far > more > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is very > frustrating > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and resourceful human > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - democracy is > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting to be > elitist > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures with ideas' > but > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and time again > in > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary positions people > take > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide quoted text > - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
