Yes, it can be all this and more. That's why it's so important that we know what we are talking about.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 6:53 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > But technology can be helpful/life-saving or destructive- and who > devises the master plan? Perhaps humans will have a chip inserted at > birth that will reward or punish their reactions? Yikes! > > On Aug 30, 2:19 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > The grand plan belongs to the realm of the ultimate sense. The master > plan > > is what new technology operates on. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am not hopeful on the grand plan - more that new technology may help > > > with what have been chronic inabilities amongst humans. > > > > > On Aug 30, 12:28 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > None. Nature protects itself from having all the people flattened to > the > > > > size of a page. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > I think it takes calamity to get humanity to all be reading the > same > > > > > page. The question remians how much calamity does it require? > > > > > > > On Aug 30, 11:51 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't matter how many people agree or disagree on which > paper or > > > > > idea. > > > > > > That's why I don't share the hope for a change of world view. One > > > > > exchanges > > > > > > world views, that's how it works. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Lee Douglas < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hahah Neil a grand plan but one that stands not a chance I > think. > > > > > > > > > How does one fight agianst ignorance except throught teaching? > > > > > > > > > But of course some wont be taught, some cannot be taught, some > will > > > > > > > reble against teachings not similar to their own belifes of > > > > > > > knowledege. > > > > > > > > > In short the capacity for reason in us humans are not the same > from > > > > > > > individual to individual. All ideas are bound to attract > followers > > > > > > > and disenters, that is just the way it is and I do not see any > > > > > > > evidance that it will quickly change. > > > > > > > > > What will happen when these protocols are found, and only three > > > people > > > > > > > agree to them? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 9:46 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I was thinking more about how we could identify ignorance in > > > reaction > > > > > > > > to see if we could find ways of putting it right in ways > argument > > > > > > > > doesn't unless you are open to a change of world view. We > > > somehow > > > > > > > > need the world-view protocols attached to what is said to > know > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > being argued or decided. One can spot consensus protocols in > > > > > > > > cockroaches so why not in humans? They may act to kill > dialogue. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 6:57 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps with a long enough view and a wide enough > perspective, > > > > > Molly, > > > > > > > > > its perhaps not so much the emergence of a new order but a > > > changing > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the guard. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Creating order from chaos requires entering into the > chaos. > > > We > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > often too content to rest in outdated but comfortable > social > > > > > orders. > > > > > > > > > > The balance of individual and consensus reality becomes > > > infinite > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mutual creativity. Finding and maintaining that point in > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > is a real challenge. Once found, old orders fall away, > new > > > > > orders > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > created, the circles of familiarity become smaller and at > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > time eternal as folks capable of sharing the unseen unite > in > > > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > Rome burns, and a new order emerges. Yet all we can see > or > > > feel > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Rome burning. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/08/civil-disorder-and-loo. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had riots in England a couple of weeks ago. Our > media > > > was > > > > > full > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > people, including reporters, stating this was a new > issue > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > unprecedented. I did not believe this as I watched - > > > though I > > > > > did > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > a great deal I recognised from GTA games. The above > link > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Economist makes use of a book by Pearson I read years > ago - > > > it > > > > > > > casts a > > > > > > > > > > > very different view that our riots were really only > history > > > > > > > repeating > > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe human thought can 'rid itself' of > emotional > > > > > > > response > > > > > > > > > > > (or should). I do believe we can do better than > 'knee-jerk > > > > > > > reactions' > > > > > > > > > > > - but I also believe this is quite difficult and beyond > > > many > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > left to their own devices. I believe our democracies > are > > > weak > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > moment and that this is because we can't argue very > well - > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > politicians appeal to much that is populist and wrong > using > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > > dubious techniques. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure I could identify the protocols that appeal to > > > > > 'ignorant > > > > > > > > > > > Idols' that lead to situations of 'nopolitics' in our > > > societies > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > thus the rule of the very rich through "economics" in a > way > > > far > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > centralised than any politburo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much given up on democracy. Teaching is > very > > > > > > > frustrating > > > > > > > > > > > because you want to encourage self-learning and > resourceful > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > beings and also know this is too much for most - > democracy > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > similar. The struggle is knowing this and not wanting > to > > > be > > > > > > > elitist > > > > > > > > > > > and sneer at others. I succeed a bit in 'adventures > with > > > > > ideas' > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > the same mistakes in reaction crop up time and time and > > > time > > > > > again > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > wider social action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if outing the protocols of the dreary > positions > > > people > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > in reaction could help us actually find dialogue?- Hide > > > quoted > > > > > text > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
