I once lived amongst mice - it was a university psychology thingy. I first wondered why the subordinate mice didn't overthrow the king mouse and he (he was always male) always kept his crew in vicious check ans "poverty". I knew the underling males could be trained and fed to defeat him. Later I just saw that nothing changed except the identity of the king mouse. I grew to quite like individual mice but not the mouse society. Currently, though we have an extensive understanding of genetic- environment-evolution stuff - sufficient at least to make most nature- nurture debate old hat - we are still stuck in a misunderstanding of our animal situation and in dire myths that hide the nature of motives even from those who lay claim to extirpate ideology. One wants to live and let live, yet this is never enough. We need 'power' of some kind to negate power itself - or fatalism.
On Oct 14, 2:03 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Though motives can work themselves into a snarl- like yarn or string- > and one often needs time (maturity and education) to follow the path > backwards. (The Labyrinth myth comes to mind.) > > On Oct 14, 1:36 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Man is bound by God through genetics , environment etc. , but all of > > it so hidden that to an individual he is absolutely free , and free he > > is as he is the agent , it is he who decides and acts and as such the > > bonds beings so subtle as to be unconscious , he is consciously doing > > everything freely.If we can be aware of our real motives we can > > control our actions to some degree and it is in that way that > > knowledge of our hidden motives can help us. > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by genetics/evolution/ > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through > > > knowledge? > > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are just a > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action as > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's presence > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in man's > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity on > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible for > > >> your every action and inaction. > > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning ! > > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter, and > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom. > > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is man > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and not to > > >> >> God. > > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God alone..." > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative ! > > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary. > > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and > > >> >> >> > everything > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary > > >> >> >> > follows -- > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to man and > > >> >> >> > society.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
