Our UK politicians are preventing a referendum on EU membership at the moment - about 60% would vote against according to polls. In many senses I would prefer the UK to comprise about 6 new states in the US. We are offered neither, but the politicians advocating choice for our 'intelligent and sophisticated' voters can barely believe that this is the case. And, of course, there is no option to be free of banksterism. Accountability doesn't necessarily mean culpability. Voting rarely has much to do with consensus The positive is often merely a guise hiding the rip-off and so on. Elements of 'face' play a role in not being able to admit one is accountable when things go wrong, and that strange false modesty often kicks in over success to enhance accountability. The wider communication we can do now is also liable to enhance the dismal media effects = twitter, facebook and so on are full of gash.
Sue aways reckons that fascisms are involved in even what our media people wear. On Oct 23, 12:39 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't agree with such a sweeping appraisal as there really are > victims who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, are too > trusting and so on. What about the impact of natural catastophes and > wars? I suppose that catch-all of "collateral damage" kicks in when > it's needed for the "spin". > > On Oct 22, 1:47 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Life is always full of cause and effects. Everyone is accountable for the > > effects caused by their actions,, even if you claim to have no choice.... > > Allan > > > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:48 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > People 'escape' responsibility in fictitious ways all the time RP - > > > though I agree that inevitably one can't. I'm always saddened by > > > those who stress we should have communism or capitalism and can't see > > > there is some kind of loop. They want to reduce everything to a kind > > > of baby-talk more appropriate to sport locker rooms than responsible > > > dialogue. The escape from responsibility is into world-views that > > > exclude the other and especially consequences for others. > > > > On Oct 22, 6:26 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > To be held accountable for one's actions , doesn't it look scary when > > > > you know you couldn't have done otherwise given your personality at > > > > the given time and the circumstances. Yet we cannot escape > > > > responsibility ! > > > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I like the theme RP - but what of being 'bound' by genetics/evolution/ > > > > > environment - which gives some clues on how to escape through > > > > > knowledge? > > > > > > On Oct 13, 4:30 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> It is God who binds you and not you yourself , and so you are > > > > >> accountable to yourself and society , but not to God. In this world > > > > >> you are doing everything freely , but in God's presence you are just > > > > >> a > > > > >> puppet. If I am bound to err , it doesn't absolve me of the action as > > > > >> it has been done by me , and if you hurt me , again you are > > > > >> accountable for it as it is done by you. It is only in God's presence > > > > >> that you are innocent as you are a puppet in his hand , but in man's > > > > >> world you are accountable and responsible for every action unless > > > > >> society frees you of that responsibility on the grounds of insanity > > > > >> on > > > > >> your part. You are always the agent and as such always responsible > > > > >> for > > > > >> your every action and inaction. > > > > > >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > When everything is predetermined... and if we all accept that as > > > > >> > fact... accountability is without meaning ! > > > > > >> > Accountability has a meaning when I have a choice in the matter, > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > if I am aware of that personal freedom. > > > > > >> > On Oct 13, 7:46 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> When everything is predetermined , the obvious truth that it is > > > > >> >> man > > > > >> >> who is acting , makes man accountable to man and society and not > > > to > > > > >> >> God. > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Vam <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> >> > But I couldn't see the rational thread between the "God > > > > >> >> > alone..." > > > > >> >> > premise and its "Man alone..." derivative ! > > > > > >> >> > On Oct 13, 7:20 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> I rather like the idea RP, of the corollary. > > > > > >> >> >> On Oct 13, 3:02 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> > AS everything good and evil is done by God's dictates and > > > everything > > > > >> >> >> > that a man endures is from God's pleasure , the corollary > > > follows -- > > > > >> >> >> > whatever a man does , he is free to do and accountable to man > > > and > > > > >> >> >> > society. > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
