Yes very true, well said Allan On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure... I was aware of that in your context ! Thinking about knowing > is not knowing enough. It is the being with the knowing that is > knowing indeed. > > On Nov 3, 3:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > More and more, I find myself preferring a quiet mind, beyond the > > thinking about knowing. > > > > On Nov 3, 3:54 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do see why "you" should considering the Knowledge vs Belief as a > > > teaser. It is valid question and has a defined answer. > > > > > Knowledge is preferable than Belief... because - > > > > > 1) It is found on known FACTS, usually many more than those specific > > > to a central matter < way to Larissa >, triggering familiarity with > > > surrounding terrain too ! So, if there was a cloudburst or a landslide > > > on the way of belief, knowledge will perhaps offer an alternate way or > > > the nearest shelter. > > > > > 2) It comes in a package including the knowledge of secondary or > > > adjunct facts, paths and PROCESSES, tertiary and sub - processes... > > > which makes our awareness of any matter, thing, being, person, event > > > or phenomena more complete, detailed and certain. > > > > > 3) It always leads to MORE KNOWLEDGE... more accurate, more extensive, > > > things new, more deep... > > > > > So, why is it considered a teaser... to those of us ? > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:38 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The question why knowledge is distinctively valuable has an important > > > > historical precedent in Plato's Meno in which Socrates raises the > > > > question of why knowledge is more valuable than mere true belief. > > > > Initially, we might appeal to the fact that knowledge appears to be > of > > > > more practical use than true belief in order to mark this difference > > > > in value, but, as Socrates notes, this claim is far from obvious on > > > > closer inspection. After all, a true belief about the correct way to > > > > Larissa is surely of just as much practical use as knowledge of the > > > > way to Larissa—both will get us to our destination. Given that we > > > > clearly do value knowledge more than mere true belief, the fact that > > > > there is no obvious explanation of why this should be so creates a > > > > problem. We will call the issue of why knowledge is more valuable > than > > > > mere true belief, the Meno problem. > > > > > > You can get the rest here - > http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-value/ > > > > > > I somehow doubt I will be causing much mouse clicking in posting the > > > > link! I did some work on knowledge justification and value whilst > > > > bored out of my tree, recovering from a serious injury. I was > > > > discovering most of academic study is 'witterpiss for wuckfits' at > the > > > > time. There's a big snag in the Meno problem in that it restricts us > > > > to argument not much informed by science. We could sit down all day > > > > trying to define knowledge, which might be nice under the Greek sun > > > > with some Rakis, local beer and imported coffee. No one has defined > > > > knowledge - rather as we don't have a precise decimal for pi. There > > > > are, of course, many definitions. > > > > > > There are lots of teasers like this in philosophy. My take on this > > > > is : > > > > 1.there are some things I believe true and have tested scientifically > > > > or in mathematical proof - these I trust as knowledge > > > > 2. there are some things I think true and can't do the above with. > > > > 3. etc. etc. on what I consider reliable or barking. > > > > > > we worry too much about this kind of stuff and not enough about the > > > > issues of the condition of ignorance. > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
