Yes very true, well said
Allan

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sure... I was aware of that in your context ! Thinking about knowing
> is not knowing enough. It is the being with the knowing that is
> knowing indeed.
>
> On Nov 3, 3:19 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> > More and more, I find myself preferring a quiet mind, beyond the
> > thinking about knowing.
> >
> > On Nov 3, 3:54 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
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> > > I do see why "you" should considering the Knowledge vs Belief as a
> > > teaser. It is valid question and has a defined answer.
> >
> > > Knowledge is preferable than Belief... because -
> >
> > > 1) It is found on known FACTS, usually many more than those specific
> > > to a central matter < way to Larissa >, triggering familiarity with
> > > surrounding terrain too ! So, if there was a cloudburst or a landslide
> > > on the way of belief, knowledge will perhaps offer an alternate way or
> > > the nearest shelter.
> >
> > > 2) It comes in a package including the knowledge of secondary or
> > > adjunct facts, paths and PROCESSES, tertiary and sub - processes...
> > > which makes our awareness of any matter, thing, being, person, event
> > > or phenomena more complete, detailed and certain.
> >
> > > 3) It always leads to MORE KNOWLEDGE... more accurate, more extensive,
> > > things new, more deep...
> >
> > > So, why is it considered a teaser... to those of us ?
> >
> > > On Nov 3, 1:38 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > The question why knowledge is distinctively valuable has an important
> > > > historical precedent in Plato's Meno in which Socrates raises the
> > > > question of why knowledge is more valuable than mere true belief.
> > > > Initially, we might appeal to the fact that knowledge appears to be
> of
> > > > more practical use than true belief in order to mark this difference
> > > > in value, but, as Socrates notes, this claim is far from obvious on
> > > > closer inspection. After all, a true belief about the correct way to
> > > > Larissa is surely of just as much practical use as knowledge of the
> > > > way to Larissa—both will get us to our destination. Given that we
> > > > clearly do value knowledge more than mere true belief, the fact that
> > > > there is no obvious explanation of why this should be so creates a
> > > > problem. We will call the issue of why knowledge is more valuable
> than
> > > > mere true belief, the Meno problem.
> >
> > > > You can get the rest here -
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-value/
> >
> > > > I somehow doubt I will be causing much mouse clicking in posting the
> > > > link! I did some work on knowledge justification and value whilst
> > > > bored out of my tree, recovering from a serious injury.  I was
> > > > discovering most of academic study is 'witterpiss for wuckfits' at
> the
> > > > time.  There's a big snag in the Meno problem in that it restricts us
> > > > to argument not much informed by science.  We could sit down all day
> > > > trying to define knowledge, which might be nice under the Greek sun
> > > > with some Rakis, local beer and imported coffee.  No one has defined
> > > > knowledge - rather as we don't have a precise decimal for pi.  There
> > > > are, of course, many definitions.
> >
> > > > There are lots of teasers like this in philosophy.  My take on this
> > > > is :
> > > > 1.there are some things I believe true and have tested scientifically
> > > > or in mathematical proof - these I trust as knowledge
> > > > 2. there are some things I think true and can't do the above with.
> > > > 3. etc. etc. on what I consider reliable or barking.
> >
> > > > we worry too much about this kind of stuff and not enough about the
> > > > issues of the condition of ignorance.
>



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