I would like to know the JJewish idea of the devil is. Allan On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:24 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are interesting issues on terms from the past Edward. The Devil > is very different in Jewish script than the modern view, and many > religious terms concern debt and escape from it. I agree to some > extent with Molly that we seem born into some wider knowledge system > and the idea of knowledge as an entity is an interesting tack. I > don't go with the story of the fall though - but if we think about my > grandson, I'm sort of wanting his fall into knowledge and self- > reliance. > > The terms always get tricky - for who is more self-reliant in this > world - the skilled man unemployed or the banker who causes that? > > On Nov 4, 3:13 pm, Edward Mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Value of KnowledgeFirst published Tue Aug 21, 2007; substantive > > revision Wed Nov 2, 2011Value of knowledge has always been a central > > topic within epistemology. An important question to address, which can > > be traced right back to Plato's Meno, is: what is it about knowledge > > (if anything) that makes it more valuable than mere true belief? > > > > Hello everyone! Seems to me one easier way to perceive Knowledge to a > > certain Truth, would be to understand the value of the Hebrew's > > rendition of the Term, while being mindful that Moses was Learned in > > All The Knowledge of The Egyptians. According to some Hebrew legends > > Knowledge is not an item. It is an Entity. One of the three main > > principles of existence as we know it to be. Knowledge, Wisdom, > > Understanding. By these did YHVH establish the Heavens and the Earth. > > These are the three main properties that comprise The Tree Of Life! > > Heaven! Except in our case and age we suffer the imbalance of > > Knowledge having increased with Man beyond the red-zone. So many run > > to and fro.. Also, bear in mind that the fall of Adam & Eve was that > > they ate from the Tree Of Knowledge; They saw a difference between > > (gained more Knowledge) Good & Evil....... > > > > Edward > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:38 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The question why knowledge is distinctively valuable has an important > > > historical precedent in Plato's Meno in which Socrates raises the > > > question of why knowledge is more valuable than mere true belief. > > > Initially, we might appeal to the fact that knowledge appears to be of > > > more practical use than true belief in order to mark this difference > > > in value, but, as Socrates notes, this claim is far from obvious on > > > closer inspection. After all, a true belief about the correct way to > > > Larissa is surely of just as much practical use as knowledge of the > > > way to Larissa—both will get us to our destination. Given that we > > > clearly do value knowledge more than mere true belief, the fact that > > > there is no obvious explanation of why this should be so creates a > > > problem. We will call the issue of why knowledge is more valuable than > > > mere true belief, the Meno problem. > > > > > You can get the rest here - > http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-value/ > > > > > I somehow doubt I will be causing much mouse clicking in posting the > > > link! I did some work on knowledge justification and value whilst > > > bored out of my tree, recovering from a serious injury. I was > > > discovering most of academic study is 'witterpiss for wuckfits' at the > > > time. There's a big snag in the Meno problem in that it restricts us > > > to argument not much informed by science. We could sit down all day > > > trying to define knowledge, which might be nice under the Greek sun > > > with some Rakis, local beer and imported coffee. No one has defined > > > knowledge - rather as we don't have a precise decimal for pi. There > > > are, of course, many definitions. > > > > > There are lots of teasers like this in philosophy. My take on this > > > is : > > > 1.there are some things I believe true and have tested scientifically > > > or in mathematical proof - these I trust as knowledge > > > 2. there are some things I think true and can't do the above with. > > > 3. etc. etc. on what I consider reliable or barking. > > > > > we worry too much about this kind of stuff and not enough about the > > > issues of the condition of ignorance. > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
