I would like to know the JJewish idea of the devil is.
Allan

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:24 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:

> There are interesting issues on terms from the past Edward. The Devil
> is very different in Jewish script than the modern view, and many
> religious terms concern debt and escape from it. I agree to some
> extent with Molly that we seem born into some wider knowledge system
> and the idea of knowledge as an entity is an interesting tack.  I
> don't go with the story of the fall though - but if we think about my
> grandson, I'm sort of wanting his fall into knowledge and self-
> reliance.
>
> The terms always get tricky - for who is more self-reliant in this
> world - the skilled man unemployed or the banker who causes that?
>
> On Nov 4, 3:13 pm, Edward Mason <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The Value of KnowledgeFirst published Tue Aug 21, 2007; substantive
> > revision Wed Nov 2, 2011Value of knowledge has always been a central
> > topic within epistemology. An important question to address, which can
> > be traced right back to Plato's Meno, is: what is it about knowledge
> > (if anything) that makes it more valuable than mere true belief?
> >
> > Hello everyone! Seems to me one easier way to perceive Knowledge to a
> > certain Truth, would be to understand the value of the Hebrew's
> > rendition of the Term, while being mindful that Moses was Learned in
> > All The Knowledge of The Egyptians. According to some Hebrew legends
> > Knowledge is not an item. It is an Entity. One of the three main
> > principles of existence as we know it to be. Knowledge, Wisdom,
> > Understanding. By these did YHVH establish the Heavens and the Earth.
> > These are the three main properties that comprise The Tree Of Life!
> > Heaven! Except in our case and age we suffer the imbalance of
> > Knowledge having increased with Man beyond the red-zone. So many run
> > to and fro.. Also, bear in mind that the fall of Adam & Eve was that
> > they ate from the Tree Of Knowledge; They saw a difference between
> > (gained more Knowledge) Good & Evil.......
> >
> > Edward
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> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:38 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > The question why knowledge is distinctively valuable has an important
> > > historical precedent in Plato's Meno in which Socrates raises the
> > > question of why knowledge is more valuable than mere true belief.
> > > Initially, we might appeal to the fact that knowledge appears to be of
> > > more practical use than true belief in order to mark this difference
> > > in value, but, as Socrates notes, this claim is far from obvious on
> > > closer inspection. After all, a true belief about the correct way to
> > > Larissa is surely of just as much practical use as knowledge of the
> > > way to Larissa—both will get us to our destination. Given that we
> > > clearly do value knowledge more than mere true belief, the fact that
> > > there is no obvious explanation of why this should be so creates a
> > > problem. We will call the issue of why knowledge is more valuable than
> > > mere true belief, the Meno problem.
> >
> > > You can get the rest here -
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/knowledge-value/
> >
> > > I somehow doubt I will be causing much mouse clicking in posting the
> > > link! I did some work on knowledge justification and value whilst
> > > bored out of my tree, recovering from a serious injury.  I was
> > > discovering most of academic study is 'witterpiss for wuckfits' at the
> > > time.  There's a big snag in the Meno problem in that it restricts us
> > > to argument not much informed by science.  We could sit down all day
> > > trying to define knowledge, which might be nice under the Greek sun
> > > with some Rakis, local beer and imported coffee.  No one has defined
> > > knowledge - rather as we don't have a precise decimal for pi.  There
> > > are, of course, many definitions.
> >
> > > There are lots of teasers like this in philosophy.  My take on this
> > > is :
> > > 1.there are some things I believe true and have tested scientifically
> > > or in mathematical proof - these I trust as knowledge
> > > 2. there are some things I think true and can't do the above with.
> > > 3. etc. etc. on what I consider reliable or barking.
> >
> > > we worry too much about this kind of stuff and not enough about the
> > > issues of the condition of ignorance.
>



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