Thank you but I do not deserve credit that one can from our very wise friend Ashok Tewari Love listening to the people in the group many of them have extremely great wisdom and knowledge. .
well it is their world. I don't really know what they are just that those worlds exist, but I am not really interested in viewing or visiting them. Allan On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:46 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > Sadly the opposite holds as well Allan. > > People are strange, they make the most curious expressions when I > laugh at hell and look hurt by their heavens. Lately it has crossed > over more, many times people cross my path and seem to pause as if > studying an unexpected creature. Somehow I don't think wearing an "My > INFJ is broken!" badge (with the acronym inside a little brain > picture) would help matters. LOL > > I really enjoy seeing your signature during the week and read it on > every post, it never fails to somehow lighten my weights at least a > little with truth. :) The rest is good too of course! > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Very true Molly I think unfortunately many of the people who should be > > hanging their heads in shame,, think they are the coolest. > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> "The problem will probably come from shame and we will separate > >> ourselves each creating our own heaven or hell, " > >> > >> It is a problem in life, not just death. > >> On Nov 9, 4:06 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > You amaze me Neil with your knowledge, showing me just how little I > >> > know, > >> > it also reminds me > >> > that there really are no new ideas that some one else has not thought > of > >> > before people just rewrite it trying to express it clearer. this > >> > solipsistsis interesting including the zombie part lol earlier > >> > discussion. > >> > > >> > maybe it is not as foolish as it might seem, to me and y weird > >> > preception > >> > of things in a way is just that.. As I see the world as just that the > >> > object is to rejoin the creator (in death or in rebirth or how ever > you > >> > see > >> > it,) > >> > > >> > On our departing of this world their is and accounting of how we > lived, > >> > responding to our abilities.. when separating from this life there is > >> > an > >> > accounting where we recall our actions of our entire lives.. and > >> > also > >> > once again understand what it takes to be one with the Creator The > >> > problem > >> > will probably come from shame and we will separate ourselves each > >> > creating > >> > our own heaven or hell, > >> > > >> > I really have no idea how it happens or just what happens just that > >> > something happens.. . > >> > > >> > Many beliefs have to much similarity.. even my thought are as if they > >> > are > >> > all ready known. To each belongs their own existence. I think the > greedy > >> > will really give themselves a surprise some how I do not think it > will > >> > be > >> > pleasant.. > >> > I know weird > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2011, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > They intercourse the paradigmatic synergy up paradox junction Allan. > >> > > K Dick once wrote of a 'group of solipsists' who treated any not in > >> > > the group as objects of their own mind's creation. I've always > >> > > thought the aim of materialism is that point where it hardly > matters, > >> > > so we can get on with being spiritual in leisure space created by > >> > > sharing what work needs doing. Look at the way we could ban Chazwin > >> > > and so on and you can see 'manners' at work in a corrosive way - > they > >> > > never quite ban poverty do they? > >> > > >> > > On Nov 9, 8:02 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Maybe the worst prisons around like the ones use for gangs > >> > >> but a good idea.. > >> > > >> > >> oddly though I think if I am right they will have a real surprise > >> > >> coming > >> > >> at their death especially when they find there is no wealth and the > >> > >> world > >> > >> they know disappears,, I know it sounds funny they will create > their > >> > >> own > >> > >> hell far beyond what you and I can imagine,, > >> > > >> > >> If one is supposed to live a spiritual life.. how does a person > >> > >> justify > >> > a > >> > >> life of material gain at the expense of others? > >> > >> Allan > >> > > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > Many of my scientific colleagues believe the kind of bureaucrats > we > >> > >> > have to suffer deserve long prison sentences - then we'll hang > >> > >> > them! > >> > > >> > >> > On Nov 8, 8:55 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > to limits moneys access to politics is what is going to have to > >> > happen,, > >> > >> > > not allowing corporations involvement at all.. but like the > >> > >> > > problem > >> > will > >> > >> > > be greed and the need for secrecy. the politicians will not > like > >> > having > >> > >> > > ever word recorded and every word said to them,, and extreme > >> > penalties > >> > >> > to > >> > >> > > violating the rules including prison time for all involved.. > and > >> > loss of > >> > >> > > all money for family members and relatives especially if the > >> > >> > > source > >> > of > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > money is the person violating the laws > >> > > >> > >> > > it will not be popular with the 1% > >> > >> > > Allan > >> > > >> > >> > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > Point 11 has traditionally been the Marxist line. The modern > >> > >> > > > ones > >> > >> > > > like David Harvey talk of 'surplus capital' chasing ever > >> > diminishing > >> > >> > > > rates of return. I see the problem as us not being able to > get > >> > what > >> > >> > > > we sensibly want, like warm homes without vast energy bills > and > >> > >> > > > the > >> > >> > > > environmental knock on and meaningful engagement as the > social > >> > animals > >> > >> > > > we are. One of the interesting things at the moment is that > >> > >> > > > there > >> > are > >> > >> > > > similarities between the usual right wing hatred of taxation > >> > >> > > > and > >> > the > >> > >> > > > extent to which we are all 'taxed' by the rich and their > >> > >> > > > Monopoly > >> > >> > > > games with money - how much of our work is funneled away by > >> > financial > >> > >> > > > services that increasingly look like organised crime or so > Bill > >> > Gates > >> > >> > > > can 'redistribute on our behalf'? > >> > > >> > >> > > > One question has to be the extent to which we may be > >> > >> > > > understanding > >> > >> > > > what's been going on 'unconsciously' and may be able to > respond > >> > >> > > > at > >> > >> > > > that level. Every test we can do shows that people are not > >> > appraised > >> > >> > > > of the facts, but the danger with this is that we then treat > >> > everyone > >> > >> > > > as morons for not knowing. I have classes I can teach to > pass > >> > maths > >> > >> > > > tests at the end of a day's teaching with some in them who > >> > >> > > > can't > >> > >> > > > remember the basics the following day when I try to push on > to > >> > >> > > > what > >> > >> > > > matters. These same people are often pretty competent at > >> > >> > > > actual > >> > tasks > >> > >> > > > involving the maths if I routinise the stuff into software > >> > >> > > > choice. > >> > >> > > > One can do this with quite complex social reasoning - but > 'who > >> > writes > >> > >> > > > the software' remains an issue. And at bottom Gabby isn't > the > >> > problem > >> > >> > > > about trusting anyone to do the planning because we fear they > >> > >> > > > will > >> > rip > >> > >> > > > us off or turn 'totalist'? And behind this another fear that > >> > >> > > > we > >> > can't > >> > >> > > > do the planning ourselves without creating such monsters? > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Nov 7, 7:35 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > Yep, that's where I see IT having accepted their position > >> > >> > > > > too. > >> > >> > > > > the following day > >> > > >> > >> > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Allan H > >> > >> > > > > <[email protected]> > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > In point 11 *It *seems the corporations and the people > who > >> > lead > >> > >> > them > >> > >> > > > are > >> > >> > > > > > already social paths > >> > >> > > > > > Allan > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:11 AM, archytas > >> > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> What strikes me on public dialogue is that we get a lot > of > >> > >> > opposing > >> > >> > > > > >> views put forward that are all based in ideology that > can > >> > >> > > > > >> be > >> > >> > stripped > >> > >> > > > > ... > >> > > >> > >> read more ยป > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
